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Post by Gerry on Aug 19, 2023 16:42:53 GMT
Hi everyone, I published 2 new decryptions of Latin texts on Ancient-Spooks.de: Both say the same thing: Rome was founded by Phoenicians, like I said in my guest papers! Not only does this make sense, as it explains Rome's rapid rise which otherwise cannot be explained. But the key names already contain punny hints in that direction: - The official Roman founding myth says Rome was founded by Trojans who were led by the hero Aeneas.
- That puns with Rome being founded by Tyrians who were led by their greed for bronze ores, as aeneas is Latin for "bronze".
But of course, there's much more to the texts. Specifically, they both explain how local elites are bribed, and then betray their own people. That's also something I imagined in my guest papers. I only decrypted the beginning so far, but I bet the texts contain much more of the _actual_ history of Rome. I also decrypted a little bit more of Josephus' War of the Jews. From 1.61 to 1.66, the text now tells us how "ze Jews" were invented: The aristocrats installed & perverted communities of religious outcasts around themselves. That way, they had hideouts, disguises, scapegoats & recruiting grounds, all in one! Josephus doesn't yet give us the Phoenician & Jewish angles, but since we now have sources saying Europe was secretly invaded by Phoenicians, and sources saying that someone set up communities of foreign outcasts as a disguise, I think we can piece it together. Happy reading!!! 😃 |
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Post by Gerry on Aug 24, 2023 7:56:09 GMT
Yes, the Trojan horse is generally a good metaphor for tricking people into accepting a cursed gift, and you can apply it to this method of conquest. I'd say it's still used today, e.g. when governments sign off seemingly harmless international treaties, and then suddenly the nation's core industries are monopolized by a big tax-exempt US company or something.
But for ancient texts, I think we can almost never put the puns aside. I already did a pun analysis of the Trojan horse, though I haven't quite nailed down the exact wording yet, as the text is missing. In Greek, "Trojan" is pronounced somewhat similar to "wooden-planks" and to "trick-bait". I think that's why the Trojan horse is a wooden-planked horse and also a trick-bait horse. That was likely the wordplay that the original, pre-spooky myths were based on.
As for the concrete, fleshed-out story with Achilles, Hector etc., I don't yet know what it's really about. I'd have to do an in-depth decryption, like with the Aenid, but Greek is even harder for me. My guess is that it's either the story of how the Phoenicians conquered Greece, or again a generic parable on how to cheat lesser civilizations or even your own subjects. The part about the horse has not been passed down to us though. It's lost, like 99.99% of Greek & Roman texts.
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Post by Gerry on Aug 24, 2023 17:32:07 GMT
Gijs , you asked about the Juno pun on CTTF, but my answer went to moderation. It was this: The Juno pun is just a guess, not very close, but the meaning fits and matches Aeneas. Generally, the same word or name is often used for different puns, sometimes even within the same text or the same sentence. So Juno may stand for other things in other contexts. It usually all stays within the original context language though. As for deities in general, they typically pun with all their attributes. My guess is that the ancient folks often assigned attributes based on whether they rhymed. You can check the divine names list, Tanit is probably the best example. The spook stories then use yet other puns, which are not always official attributes. I also tried Poseidon and Athena, and the pattern seems to apply there too. But overall, I still don’t have a very good handle on the Greek & Roman gods. |
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Post by erwin on Sept 1, 2023 18:13:59 GMT
Thanks for sharing the new articles. Your "Ancient Spooks" series was actually one of the first articles I ever encountered that striked me as a plausible alternative history. Around 2018 I found that series on some website that had uploaded loads of PDFs, almost at random. Some weeks later I found their proper source as well.  |
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Sept 2, 2023 4:52:42 GMT
In honor of my breif respite from further lurking, and also the meniton of the trojan horse I give you one of my top 5 youtube video clips, even now it crack me up! The chaser: What have we learned from history??? www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs3SfNANtig |
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Post by Gerry on Sept 3, 2023 10:27:20 GMT
Your "Ancient Spooks" series was actually one of the first articles I ever encountered that striked me as a plausible alternative history. Around 2018 I found that series on some website that had uploaded loads of PDFs, almost at random. Some weeks later I found their proper source as well.
Thank you for the feedback. That's actually what I aimed for. I got started on this whole thing because I was looking for a plausible theory as well, and couldn't find any. I could see that Miles was mostly right when he saw "Jews" everywhere. But among the countless alt theories, I didn't find one that could explain how "Jews" could rise to power, and infiltrate & overthrow the mightiest of empires. Some alt sources try lame approaches like "usury", but most just quickly divert into drivel about "kewl" stuff, like Satanist Nephilim aliens from Jupiter. 🙄 So yes, I pride myself to be the no-nonsense guy. If you ever catch me peddling nonsense, or just claims without solid arguments, please call me out on it. 😉 |
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Post by erwin on Sept 4, 2023 18:38:14 GMT
Your "Ancient Spooks" series was actually one of the first articles I ever encountered that striked me as a plausible alternative history. Around 2018 I found that series on some website that had uploaded loads of PDFs, almost at random. Some weeks later I found their proper source as well.
Thank you for the feedback. That's actually what I aimed for. I got started on this whole thing because I was looking for a plausible theory as well, and couldn't find any. I could see that Miles was mostly right when he saw "Jews" everywhere. But among the countless alt theories, I didn't find one that could explain how "Jews" could rise to power, and infiltrate & overthrow the mightiest of empires. Some alt sources try lame approaches like "usury", but most just quickly divert into drivel about "kewl" stuff, like Satanist Nephilim aliens from Jupiter. 🙄 So yes, I pride myself to be the no-nonsense guy. If you ever catch me peddling nonsense, or just claims without solid arguments, please call me out on it. 😉 I feel like giving that Ancient Spooks series another read. It has been a while since I last read them. In my previous message it was hinted that I found your papers before those of Miles', only just. So at that point I had no benefit of any of his insights. Just had this huge (digital) pile of articles and books, most of which were contradictory, emotionally manipulative, not getting to any fitting scenario. In the alternative corner the J-ish stuff yeah, and they also had this supposed Jihad/muslim threat. Different versions of WW2 were going around too. In the mainstream the amount of useless history stories was even larger of course. It is often funny to look at all these new/upcoming book covers: Hitler's *this*. The untold story of *that*. The rise and fall of *this other thing*. |
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Post by Michael on Oct 3, 2023 11:44:01 GMT
Gerry, just to say I love your stuff, they are taking me awhile to read so I can't imagine the work that went into producing them. It is such an awesome effort. Thank you.
One thought (and it is very superficial) that I had about Jesus being a carpenter (which is a story as far as I can remember not from the bible) I wonder whether that would link him to the cedar sellers of Phoenicia and therefore be a nod to who gave us those stories and lining up another infiltration, that time into Rome? Another trojan horse?
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Post by Gerry on Oct 3, 2023 14:35:56 GMT
Michael, thanks for the positive feedback. Yes, it's quite a lot of work, but for me it's become a pasttime I can wind down with, like other people watching Netflix series or something. As for the "carpenter", the short answer is no, it's definitely not something like that. I don't know if it's safe to discuss the J-topic here. On CTTF at least, that would open the biggest can of worms. Generally speaking, I can say this: Words in ancient texts typically never "symbolize" anything. Not in this indirect, abstract way where you can interpret anything out of anything. So you cannot link from "carpenter" to "cedar wood" to "Phoenicians" or something. I tried that myself in my initial papers and for a while after, but I found it's a dead end, everywhere. Rather, the words in ancient texts always encrypt things that are written or pronounced similarly. Or it's even a derived meaning of the same word or word root. So, the English translation will not help you, never. You have to look up the original word in the original language, and see what set of meanings it has, and what words are similar. Very often, you find clusters of meanings that are important to the spooks. In the case of your question, it shouldn't even be very difficult. Also, the ancient spook authors typically never describe themselves as "Phoenicians" or "Jews" in their own texts, but rather as "rulers", "nobles", "aristocrats" and the like.
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Post by Michael on Oct 3, 2023 17:05:16 GMT
Thanks Gerry, that would be too simple. I have real trouble with languages so I am not going to be able to go back to the source like you can, you have a real gift. but can see why they wouldn't make it that easier to decode.
Strange that the J topic is off bounds on CTTF as that seems to be central to Miles' worldview. To be honest, I am more comfortable with calling them Phoenicians or bankers (etc, though (hidden) rulers, nobles and aristocrats works better, as I am convinced that is is the elites that exploit everyone else. I suspect you are safe to use it here, but I am new - @danielarcher will be able to clarify.
Jesus was described in quite a lot of leadership roles, teacher and rabbi for starters but not really as a ruler. I do think that Christianity has clearly been used and now, largely, disposed off and therefore they may not even feel the need to follow anything beyond there own code - which I know is stating the obvious from their behaviour.
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Post by Michael on Oct 3, 2023 17:26:23 GMT
As you reveal in your Ancient Spook V paper that Jew = Leader maybe that should be how we refer to them, a kind of unveiling of their spooky hijabs.
TO clarify refer to them always as leader or our leader. Ah, it wouldn't work but still....
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Post by Gerry on Oct 3, 2023 18:39:24 GMT
As you reveal in your Ancient Spook V paper that Jew = Leader maybe that should be how we refer to them, a kind of unveiling of their spooky hijabs.
I have moved past my guest papers in some regards. Now that I decrypt whole texts, I have context against which I can check my ideas. Some have to be discarded.
yhwdy "Jew" is similar to hdwy "leader", which was my initial idea. But it's also similar to hwdyˁ "informant". I think that second similarity is meant in the Bible texts. You can look at my decryption of Genesis 49:8ff, the part about Judah. It's confirmed there with the surrounding words. Like, a few verses later in Genesis 49:10, the word rgl "feet" is used, which is the same as rgl "spy", another word for "informant".
In the Talmud, the word "Jew" is never even used. Instead, the authors use the word yšrˀl "Israelite", which is probably meant to pun with ˁzr-rˁl "veiled assistant", which is the same thing, i.e. a disguised spy among the population.
So, I'd say the actual formula for the ancient texts is: "Jew" = "low-level informant"
Also, in my papers I was still open to the idea that this "Judah" nation existed, and that the Bible stories were very loosely based on real events, and that the spook overlords were "Jews" of sorts.
Now I don't believe any of that any more. I think the kings lists are not stories about actual kings, they're parables. The kingdom Judah may have existed in later times, but I think it was never a central physical location for the spook overlords, at most one among several. The whole "Jewish nation" thing was likely invented after Rome was founded, to explain away all the people with Phoenician looks & language as harmless "Jews". And then the stories in the Bible were written down retroactively, at best loosely based on existing myths & poems from the region.
Josephus 1:61ff explains it pretty well: The overlords (mostly Phoenicians probably, though it doesn't say) started to hide inside communities of religious outcasts, and disguised themselves as leaders of these outcasts, while secretly making a mockery of them (e.g. with the ridiculous Talmudic laws). They then used the outcasts as scapegoats for their crimes ("ze Jews poisoned ze wells!!!"), so that everybody else hated these outcasts, and they hated everybody else. The overlords then recruited their moles & traitors primarily from these outcast groups, because the outcasts already hated the majority of the common populace. After they had turned the outcasts into hateful disguised traitors, the overlords intermingled so much with them, that there was hardly any difference between the two groups any more.
So to the overlords, the "Jews" are just a very successful disguise which has taken a life on its own, one that many of them live in permanently. The overlords themselves probably never really identified as "Jews", they're simply the "rulers".
Any spookling who still thinks it's all about "Jewish rule" must be from the lower ranks, a low-level informant.
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Post by Gerry on Oct 3, 2023 18:51:34 GMT
Strange that the J topic is off bounds on CTTF as that seems to be central to Miles' worldview. Sorry, I didn't mean the J for "Jews", but the J for "Jesus". That one's off bounds, as it's also central to Miles' worldview, though the other way round. |
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Post by erwin on Oct 4, 2023 17:55:59 GMT
As you reveal in your Ancient Spook V paper that Jew = Leader maybe that should be how we refer to them, a kind of unveiling of their spooky hijabs. Josephus 1:61ff explains it pretty well: The overlords (mostly Phoenicians probably, though it doesn't say) started to hide inside communities of religious outcasts, and disguised themselves as leaders of these outcasts, while secretly making a mockery of them (e.g. with the ridiculous Talmudic laws). They then used the outcasts as scapegoats for their crimes ("ze Jews poisoned ze wells!!!"), so that everybody else hated these outcasts, and they hated everybody else. The overlords then recruited their moles & traitors primarily from these outcast groups, because the outcasts already hated the majority of the common populace. After they had turned the outcasts into hateful disguised traitors, the overlords intermingled so much with them, that there was hardly any difference between the two groups any more. Sounds very plausible. That bold part; An essential reaction to the hate in the other direction, that is hardly ever mentioned. |
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Post by Michael on Oct 5, 2023 10:53:27 GMT
Strange that the J topic is off bounds on CTTF as that seems to be central to Miles' worldview. Sorry, I didn't mean the J for "Jews", but the J for "Jesus". That one's off bounds, as it's also central to Miles' worldview, though the other way round. Wow, I didn't realise that. Very strange, from my reading of Miles he was brought up Christian to a very limited extent but isn't now. I suppose there is stuff about living in the light and all that which is Christian morality but surely there must be scope to question the central planks of our own culture if we expect to question others. Planks in eyes and all that. |
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