|
|
Post by Michael on Sept 12, 2024 14:06:14 GMT
OK, I have been listening to a daily bible series with my wife in the hope of being uplifted. Of curse it is very confusing, I am not here to undermine religion as I believe it is a force for good if used correctly and is definitely a way of aligning oneself to the right things that we all hold in our hearts. However, with Abraham's story freshly confusing me I have turned to Gerry for some clarifications. So here is my unsceptical synopsis - I know it is a weakness, but in the interests of harmony!!!! Abraham, was adopted for show, I guess this would be from the Phoenicians into Judaism, little is said about the tribe of Abraham, apart from when he sends a servant to "buy" a wife for Isaac and start the whole Jewish thing. Sarah is a rival wife - to whom, Hagar? Isaac is a joke (comic actor), mocking those who will base their religious beliefs on his words, as he is a plant, may we assume that his wife is his handler as we see these days, maybe even why the female line is so important (oh, go on just for laughs). Add on from Gerry's Genesis. Sorry, I thought this was going to be longer - as the actress said to the bishop (well, as the actress said to the costumed actor, just doesn't have the same ring to it). Actually, I may do a whole synopsis of Genesis based on Gerry's piece jus to make it a little more snappy. Abraham is rich and prays to his God, which by punnery is his bosses, the Rulers, so Abraham is sent on a mission to take over land, through trade and war, which they will call their birth right and make the rest of us pay to "defend" while they expand. |
|
ska
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
Posts: 93
|
Post by ska on Oct 24, 2024 22:37:03 GMT
I take the account in Genesis literally!! It talks about how the first thing that God made was his own person when he said "Let there be light". It says in the second covenant {the New Testament} that Christ is the firstborn of every creature and also that he is "the light of the world". So when it says: "Let there be light", I believe that God created his own person. I mean, His Spirit still fills heaven and earth as he is the invisible Eloheem {Heb. for "God"}. As it says in the prophet Jeremiah {or is it Isaiah?}: As I live saith Yah-veh, do not I fill heaven and earth? That's how he was able to make us in HIS image. Also, it talks about giants in the land, in chapter 6, and in the same chapter, on a separate note, it talks about the nobility {beney-Eloheem} multiplying wives unto themselves, which is what they've always been inclined to do. Just look at Solomon for a more recent example. That's why Moses wrote the precept about future kings of Israel not multiplying wives unto themselves. But, it seems, that Solomon failed in that regard.
Consider how that Abe was called out from among his own kin, and obeyed, not even knowing where he was going. This was imputed unto him for righteousness. The second covenant uses this same example when it says: They that are of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Without faith it's impossible to please Eloheem. And don't forget: "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of Eloheem". It's also a worthy labor to search the scriptures as it says a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the Word of truth".
I'm telling you man: You just have to let God be true but every man a liar!! It says, somewhere {in the Psalms}, that he's exalted His Word above all His name.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael on Oct 26, 2024 16:56:43 GMT
ska I am pretty sure I am not catching your drift - save for your conclusion that God is truth therefore trust him (which I do). I will have to try and unpack that, that is pretty dense writing and my knowledge of the scriptures is not really adequate.
|
|
ska
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
Posts: 93
|
Post by ska on Oct 27, 2024 10:44:51 GMT
I am happy to answer any questions. But I prefer to use the KJV when quoting from the Bible, as I believe it is the most accurate (except for a few places).
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael on Oct 28, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
ska I will summarise your points for my own clarity 1. God said let there be light and created himself. 2. Giants, from Gen 6:4 (KJV) 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.So the sons of God bred with human females and made giants. I can't find anything about nobility in that chapter, do you mean Deuteronomy? Seemingly 17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. Deut 17:17 What is the point that you are making? To me, it sounds like you are pointing at the Elites are the sons of God who bred with human females. Though I suspect that isn't what you mean, though it is my literal interpretation of the passage, though I am not a biblical literalist and therefore have no idea what it actually means. To me, it looks like it is on the surface a warning to keep your mind on God, but perhaps in a Gerry style analysis it is a more political warning to keep the Rulers loyalty to the in-crowd ie. ethno-centrism. 3. Faith = righteousness When you say Moses wrote, do you not think the Bible is the word of God? And, it is instructions for the Elite (like Gerry thinks) from our Rulers, if so presumably you are not a follower of an Abrahamic religion yourself? I assumed you were Christian, but now it sounds like you are Jewish but without faith, could you clear that one up for me? I can't find mention of Elohim in the KJV. Therefore, I am confused as to why you say you prefer it but then quote from another place. Which version are you using. For me, I am happy to use any version and tend to cross check between them - as long as they are in English coz I'm English so don't do other languages.
|
|
ska
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
Posts: 93
|
Post by ska on Oct 30, 2024 19:11:22 GMT
You're misunderstanding me. Since we were on the subject of Genesis I brought up stuff from Genesis that I think jive with the rest of the Bible. Such as: Moses making a precept unto future kings not to multiply wives unto themselves. I was only quoting Genesis when I brought up chapter 6 about the giants. The part about nobility multiplying wives unto themselves has nothing to do with the giants. That word which is "B'ney-Eloheem" is two words stuck together which is their idiomatic way of saying "Nobility", or "Aristocracy", because they don't have those actual words in Hebrew. They do that quite a bit. If you look in a Hebrew dictionary for example, there are pages of words that are made from the word; "ba-al". Those are all idiomatic words. Such as the word for "glutton". They don't have an equivalent. So, instead, they made up the word: "ba-al nefesh", which literally means "master of the soul {or belly}". Again, it's the same with the word "B'ney-Eloheem", in Genesis Chapter 6. They came up with a word that denotes "rulers", or "Nobility". That's all it is. And as far as the giants, people discovered early on about genetics apparently. They probably made the tallest people couple up so as to get a desired outcome, being giants. Of course I'm guessing because it doesn't spell it out. But I figured that they wanted to create a servant class that could do all of the heavy lifting. Again, I can only speculate, but I'm drawing from paintings that are in the oldest tombs in Egypt that depict two different types of giants doing all of the heavy lifting.
|
|
ska
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
Posts: 93
|
Post by ska on Oct 30, 2024 19:31:43 GMT
Also, I've started to use the Hebrew words for "God" and "Lord" and his actual name in the First Testament which is; "Yah-veh", which, I believe, is the actual pronunciation of the tetragrammaton. So if, for instance, I'm reading along and I come to the word "LORD", or "GOD", in all capitals, I substitute his actual old Testament name: "Yah-veh", because that is what it is in the actual Hebrew text. Of course, he has a new name, now, which is Yeshua ha-mashiach {Jesus The Christ}, which was also prophesied in the old Testament, in one of the minor prophets {that he would have a new name}. I use the Hebrew term when referring to "Jesus", because I believe that it's a more accurate rendering of the "name" that is above every name. Sorry if it confused you.
|
|
ska
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
Posts: 93
|
Post by ska on Oct 30, 2024 19:59:29 GMT
And again, I only use the K.J.V., because of its accuracy. It is perfectly translated, except for a few places where it's obviously not. And those are minor disagreements. The nice thing about the K.J.V. is that it uses italics to indicate that those words {are added to give the proper sense and} are not words that are in the actual text. For example: in the Psalms it says; "If I forget thee oh Jerusalem, let my right hand forget {her cunning}." The words "Her cunning" are not in the actual text but are rather implied. In Hebrew it makes sense, but in English you needed to add those words in order for it to make sense. There are other scriptures where they should've done the same, because, although they make sense in Hebrew, the verse falls flat on its face in English. A quick example is the verse that says: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". In the Hebrew it uses the causative: "Thou shalt not "CAUSE" a witch to live". Which literally means not to allow them to live close by within your neighborhood. Or, to cause them to live in exile or something. It has nothing to do with killing anybody. In fact, Hebrew speakers would understand what's implied, because of the future kings that rose up and did just that: exiled certain groups of people who were involved with the occult sciences. Whereas in English, it would've greatly helped if there were words in italics to indicate the actual meaning.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael on Oct 31, 2024 17:30:37 GMT
ska Gotcha - I have noticed your style in other posters around the internet. I think it is largely an American thing, which of course I am fine with but I do need to translate back in to English English.
|
|
ska
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
Posts: 93
|
Post by ska on Nov 6, 2024 10:32:15 GMT
An American thing? I don't follow. Sorry. I am in the U.S., though.
|
|
|
|
Post by Michael on Nov 7, 2024 16:02:41 GMT
ska I just mean that it is more American to use old school / Hebrew names. Even though we (English) do quite like the KJV we do like to modernise names so that it all flows easily - we aren't very cunning linguists, especially not with those there foreign name. That is all I was getting at really.
|
|
