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Post by Michael on Sept 13, 2024 17:03:53 GMT
Miles seems to think that @dane over on the haven is a spook for promoting and supporting the work of @overduerevolutions. Up until now I had thought @dane was a very reliable and sensible voice.
dane
August 28, 2024 at 10:40 pm
Excellent essay making the case for conspiracy theory as a legitimate field of inquiry:
liminalrevolutions.substack.com/p/elite-theory-as-the-intellectual
Lestrade gets a mention.
I’ve read a few of his pieces, always great stuff, hes a reader of Miles, and has commented here once or twice.
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September 11, 2024 at 5:09 am
Yes, that article was a big nothingburger, trying to reverse the field back to 2002, telling us a bunch of stuff that was already known then. Anyone who writes an overview of conspiracy theory in 2024 and ignores me is an agent, period. Everybody knows that. And linking to Lestrade as his example of photo analysis and not me was also a huge tell.
I have read most of the piece and I do tend to agree with Miles it doesn't say anything new and stops over 20 years ago. That is a bad sign of misdirecting and timewasting (which I think is a large part of the spook agenda). I don't agree that ignoring Miles makes one by default an agent, maybe if they knowingly ignore Miles as a misdirect. Miles doesn't really help himself with his tone (but then neither do I sometimes), you can't really go around attacking allies and then expect to get mentioned in articles - though TBF, to the best of my knowledge, Miles hadn't attacked the author when he wrote the piece so that point is somewhat moot - though the ignoring / dismissing of corrections could be the trigger. miles mathis
September 12, 2024 at 5:13 am
Dane, if you are agreeing with overdue, you have just outed yourself as well. Not really surprising. Time to fold up this forum just like Cutting.TBH, on the forum I do think @overduerevolutions was making some valid points and it would be nice if Miles could address these rather than spitting the dummy, no matter how boring he finds it. Folding the only forum discussing (well, it rarely does that) Mile's work would seem counter-productive for Miles. This does make me question Miles' motives, but I have nothing more solid to go on and it could all be just an ego thing. Not quite sure what it is that makes it not really surprising, I guess this is more an experience thing rather than based on @dane's contribution - of course, those contributions' would be in line with a spook MO to build trust first and then distract, but we could say that about anyone. . One final thing, I do wish that people over there wouldn't immediately step in and start white knighting for Miles, he is a big boy and can argue his own points or even just ignore them, but someone else answering for him just looks like they are part of his projected ego and make him look as though he needs protecting. |
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Post by Daniel Archer on Sept 14, 2024 6:18:54 GMT
The linked article looks to be written by AI.
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Post by Michael on Sept 14, 2024 10:08:09 GMT
The linked article looks to be written by AI. That is a good point, I didn't think of that but with the length it would seem probable. Thinking about it I didn't spot any typo's which, would be impressive for a human amateur. @dane has mentioned things lik Language Learning Models (LLM) and has disparaged the ability of AI, when it is plain to see that the sppoks are using all the tech to control our minds and society, so under-estimating it is a great opoid for the sceptic. Additionally, both him and the author are apparently in computing, nothing immediately suss about that, but there are a lot of links back to spook op. |
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Post by erwin on Sept 17, 2024 17:26:12 GMT
The linked article looks to be written by AI. That is a good point, I didn't think of that but with the length it would seem probable. Thinking about it I didn't spot any typo's which, would be impressive for a human amateur. @dane has mentioned things lik Language Learning Models (LLM) and has disparaged the ability of AI, when it is plain to see that the sppoks are using all the tech to control our minds and society, so under-estimating it is a great opoid for the sceptic. Additionally, both him and the author are apparently in computing, nothing immediately suss about that, but there are a lot of links back to spook op. He has many more content here, besides the substack. overduerevolutions.wordpress.comIn general he does mention Miles and gives Credit there, in multiple places. But on his few substack articles Miles is only mentioned once. From what I recon, He has a certain style or tendency to try to bridge/hedge towards mainstream academic writing, for whatever reason. Which dillutes and tones-down the message. Like using the "Overton Window" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window. Which IMO is just a clumsy and naive collection of words. Actually Grant Genereux also came up with that strange Overton thing recently. So there is that... |
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Post by Michael on Sept 18, 2024 13:55:38 GMT
erwin The Overton window has been a thing the alt / siddident right / civ nats have been going on about for awhile. Academic Agent (note the Agent) was the first person I remember using it just bother the last US election. I can't decided whether it (in itself) is a spooky signal - I can't actually even decide whether Academic Agent is a paid spook - but I would say there is a 70%+ chance of it. From what I recon, He has a certain style or tendency to try to bridge/hedge towards mainstream academic writing, for whatever reason. Which dillutes and tones-down the message.Agreed, I think this is a legitimate technique, in fact, it has many benefits over Miles' abrasive manner. So, in itself can't be used as proof either way of Overdue Revolution's veracity. I note that neither Dane or Overdue have commented since the incident and even Gerrard may have buggered off but even that doesn't prove anything really. I will take a look at Overdue's blog and see what I can discern.
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Post by Michael on Sept 18, 2024 15:10:38 GMT
So.... what I can find His About states he is called Kieran, an independent researcher based in Toronto, his email address is kmz0809@gmail.com, he stated on MH that he is a computer science guy and his Aphorisms page starts with Zimmer’s Razor Could this be our man Kieran Zimmer University of Toronto | U of T · Department of Computer ScienceIf so, I think we are getting closer to spook markers, University of Toronto (Jordan Peterson's uni) is a hotbed and Zimmer isn't exactly green lit. The site linked to doesn't seem to be AI, but who knows. Additionally, I have found a grammatical error in the Ukraine piece Western journalists and politicians attributing past pictures and footage to the current conflict would seem to support to this therefore I would say it can't be a purely Ai op. overduerevolutions.wordpress.com/2022/03/13/whats-happening-in-ukraine/He doesn't agree with Miles theory that the war is staged theatre. I do tend to agree with him on this, for the same reasons as for WW2, I think Miles talks an US perspective whereas those of us in Europe are pretty convinced that the damage we have seen can't all have been faked. As he states Governments are likely using social media to seed and amplify fake stories as a disinformation tactic to make the truth more difficult to discern, and allow outlets like the BBC to claim that “false claims the war is a hoax go viral”. By planting and then debunking fake evidence (which is often also reposted by duped truthers), the government sells the narrative that the war is 100% real and anyone who claims otherwise is crazy. For these reasons, it is much more likely that the war is a real but manufactured conflict, though it is not the point of this paper to precisely demarcate fakery from reality + did you spot another grammatical error in there? This is a bit for amanda if she is still around somewhere - I remember on her telegram group asserting this but she didn't agree (the quote is from Overdue), so..... This leads to the question of why the West is being deliberately collapsed while China is being built up. Although the Phoenician elite have a history of moving their base of power over long periods of time – the last move having been from Britain to America – power over the past several centuries has been concentrated in the Western hemisphere. It would have been possible to maintain the historical power base of the West if that was what was desired, but all signs seem to indicate that it is moving to China, with mainstream and mainstream-adjacent publications predicting that China will become the next global superpower.for my part, I think the powerful don't need to shift they just really offshore their operations - the powerful will live anywhere they feel most comfortable, depending on what they fancy. because Given the higher level of trust and compliance with authority demonstrated by Asians, it is obvious that China would furnish a more compliant and subservient population than any White nation, and so it is logical for the elites to make China their new base of power. sorry for the digression. Having read this piece, he clearly isn't AI, he has interesting ideas and does indeed cite Miles rather glowingly, though it is clear that he doesn't agree with everything Miles says. I think this is the main reason that Miles doesn't like him and therefore has called him and Dane spooks, this willingness of Miles to accuse without good evidence undermines his other assertions. But, hey, Miiles is only human too, right! - even if he thinks he is the ubermennsch. I like the piece. Overdues's, possible, links to University of Toronto are suspect but even if it is not genuine, as even Miles has said they have to salt in a lot of truth at this level to push whatever narrative he may be pushing and as I am extremely sceptical of everyone then I am happy to hear what he has to say. I think it was a mistake to alienate / remove Dane and Overdue from MH, especially since Gerard has been flooding it with garbage all year. Dane made some great contributions and OVerdue could have too. This is the issue the "conspiracy" types have, they decide that no-one can be trust so kick em out which just puts them exactly where power wants us - sitting in tiny groups distrusting everyone. I really can't understand why (apart from psychologically) Miles encourages this behaviour. The only other option apart from psychological is the even more sinister blackwashing of the truth. |
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Post by erwin on Sept 18, 2024 17:27:08 GMT
I think it was a mistake to alienate / remove Dane and Overdue from MH, especially since Gerard has been flooding it with garbage all year. Dane made some great contributions and OVerdue could have too. This is the issue the "conspiracy" types have, they decide that no-one can be trust so kick em out which just puts them exactly where power wants us - sitting in tiny groups distrusting everyone. I really can't understand why (apart from psychologically) Miles encourages this behaviour. The only other option apart from psychological is the even more sinister blackwashing of the truth. Kieran yes, I remember there was a video in one of his articles or comments, where he was in front of a government building, during the BS-19 insanity, taking the open microphone for a little while. So not much of a ghost. But as a comment on paranoia on thruther forums; remember CTTF Josh? Who seems to have been ordered to stand-down, at some point in time. The Grant Genereux forum always mentioned free speech for everyone. That also backfired is several ways. Lots of useless chitchat noise. Recently, a moderater was assigend, then banned a few days later. Maybe this is just a trust dillema without practical solution. Good thing the thruth is not just about people per se, but about testable ideas and evidence. Like, one can test Miles methods on local famous people and test that the results are in the same lines. Test passed. |
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Post by amanda on Sept 19, 2024 11:41:25 GMT
Michael, I lurk. You make some great points. I can't remember what I wrote about war on Telegram... I think it's a mixture of real and propaganda but I don't know. What I do know is that these psychopaths running the show are cursed - I believe Miles. I thought Dane was intelligent, insightful and considerate and I don't understand why Miles had a go at him. I also found the Overdue Revolutions guy to be interesting and reasonable. Finding everyone who doesn't agree 100% to be an agent is ludicrous. I seriously don't think agents give a shit what we write on these forums. Anyway, keep up the good work. You are one of the few interesting commenters. ;-)
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Post by ska on Sept 20, 2024 10:15:27 GMT
I found what Dane said about Paul the Apostle to be a little absurd. He said that Paul had infiltrated Christianity, but I disagree. The very reason they denigrate Paul is because in his testimony he outed Judean Intelligence {the council} as having sent him. They absolutely curse him to this day because of that. Him becoming a Christian wasn't that big of a deal. It's because, at that time, they didn't have N.D.A.'s for agents who might be converted to a cause or religion. Anyway, I didn't even know about Miles' disagreement with Dane until I read it here.
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Post by Michael on Sept 21, 2024 9:03:29 GMT
I think it was a mistake to alienate / remove Dane and Overdue from MH, especially since Gerard has been flooding it with garbage all year. Dane made some great contributions and OVerdue could have too. This is the issue the "conspiracy" types have, they decide that no-one can be trust so kick em out which just puts them exactly where power wants us - sitting in tiny groups distrusting everyone. I really can't understand why (apart from psychologically) Miles encourages this behaviour. The only other option apart from psychological is the even more sinister blackwashing of the truth. Kieran yes, I remember there was a video in one of his articles or comments, where he was in front of a government building, during the BS-19 insanity, taking the open microphone for a little while. So not much of a ghost. But as a comment on paranoia on thruther forums; remember CTTF Josh? Who seems to have been ordered to stand-down, at some point in time. The Grant Genereux forum always mentioned free speech for everyone. That also backfired is several ways. Lots of useless chitchat noise. Recently, a moderater was assigend, then banned a few days later. Maybe this is just a trust dillema without practical solution. Good thing the thruth is not just about people per se, but about testable ideas and evidence. Like, one can test Miles methods on local famous people and test that the results are in the same lines. Test passed. True, there is a video embed in one of Kieran's posts. it seems to be posted on his own YT channel which was started in 2011, so definitely not a ghost. If he is a spook he is one that he some resource put into creating a backstory. For me, him being "allowed" to take the mic during a COVID protest was a potential red flag, but it did look pretty small scale so more likely to be genuine and organic. I did also find him in the Toronto Uni Mountain Biking club from 2015, which all adds a time line which seems to correspond i.e. YT channel created at 14 and uni 4 years later (though obviously this is only based on rough probabilities). It is also feasible that the man (Kieran) in the video is mid 20's which would tie in. Indeed, regarding the paranoia, and it has probably hit Miles quite hard, as he did seem to trust Josh. I don't massively trust anyone, so have developed a rather sardonic attitude to the world. Where Miles is looking for truth I tend to think that we live in a crazy world of smoke and mirrors - more Naked Lunch meets Fahrenheit 451 , largely because I can't be arse / lack the ability to really prove anything. Free speech is a bit like free markets, they seem a good idea but the group holding the most resources are always going to be able to twist it for their own ends, but any solutions are worse and can, so far, be manipulated even more than the free market. So, I agree with you, it is a dilemma along with truth. The thing about testable ideas is the "correlation / causation dilemma" I do feel that Miles draws inference from correlations that he doesn't test or prove. In fact, when I started reading Miles that was my first thought - does this stand up in court, can his assertions be proved, or, are we getting dragged along by polemics? I do think that the preponderance of evidence is strong, but I am aware it is also very much a trick that the mainstream use to obfuscate the lack of actual proof. However, I note from a Miles paper from this year that he thinks those corresponding with him should do so in a deferential manner., which I tend to reserve for higher beings and even then I expect them to have a sense of humour about the requirement for untestable faith. |
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Post by Michael on Sept 21, 2024 9:22:00 GMT
Michael , I lurk. You make some great points. I can't remember what I wrote about war on Telegram... I think it's a mixture of real and propaganda but I don't know. What I do know is that these psychopaths running the show are cursed - I believe Miles. I thought Dane was intelligent, insightful and considerate and I don't understand why Miles had a go at him. I also found the Overdue Revolutions guy to be interesting and reasonable. Finding everyone who doesn't agree 100% to be an agent is ludicrous. I seriously don't think agents give a shit what we write on these forums. Anyway, keep up the good work. You are one of the few interesting commenters. ;-) Good to hear from you and thank you. Always good to have your input. It was about China, I said that was where power was re-locating and you said that they were happy with their Western comforts. After which I revised my view to "it doesn't matter physically were they are, as long as they own the world they will be happy. And, they have transport. Which is what proves the climate change narrative false, they ain't gong to count carbon footprints as they are the ones leaving the dinosaurs prints everywhere." So, thank ou for stimulating that change. I agree with you about war, and I agree that it is psychopathy. In fact, I believe the dark triad of psychological traits (Machiavellianism, narcissism and psychopathy) are the key drivers and those are largely what the elites have and look for in their recruits. Accordingly, I do think people can join the elite if they are bringing something special to the table. Definitely agree that Dane was intelligent, insightful and considerate. I agree that Miles over-reacted, but also take on erwin's point about Josh. My view is if he had done more work and revealed Dan and Overdue to be spooks then he should explain it rather than just make a statement of fact. Thanks again, I will try and post a bit more and thanks for the compliment, TBF I am one of the few commentors so it is not a very high bar! |
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Post by Michael on Sept 21, 2024 9:35:14 GMT
I found what Dane said about Paul the Apostle to be a little absurd. He said that Paul had infiltrated Christianity, but I disagree. The very reason they denigrate Paul is because in his testimony he outed Judean Intelligence {the council} as having sent him. They absolutely curse him to this day because of that. Him becoming a Christian wasn't that big of a deal. It's because, at that time, they didn't have N.D.A.'s for agents who might be converted to a cause or religion. Anyway, I didn't even know about Miles' disagreement with Dane until I read it here. TBF, everyone is allowed to be absurd though. Your point about the N. D. A. while funny is kinda wrong, as they have always had an unspoken bond and to break that is known to result in very nasty and terminal consequences. Though all of this takes us away from the discussion here. On Paul, (well actually like most of the Bible) I don't really know where to stand. Quite a bit of his stuff seemed to divert from the message of Jesus so I could see the sceptical view, but (as Miles says) anything that undermines Christianity is sceptical. Having said that I am happy with Gerry's work, even though it has made the most cogent argument against the Bible that I have seen. I am fairly certain that Gerry is not suspect as his writing is so different and his work is so slow and unpromoted that I can't see it as anything other than the work of a committed truth seeker with a model to apply. If you haven't read his stuff it might be worth having a look, but it may be a hard read if you still believe. Glad I am keeping you up-to-date, or sorry for wasting your time, whichever is more appropriate! |
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Post by Michael on Sept 21, 2024 9:46:35 GMT
Finding everyone who doesn't agree 100% to be an agent is ludicrous. I seriously don't think agents give a shit what we write on these forums. Anyway, keep up the good work. You are one of the few interesting commenters. ;-) Agree that it is ludicrous to distrust (or banish) those who don't 100% agree; and I couldn't agree more with the elites don't give a shit what we think, write or say on these forums or basically anywhere. They control money the media and everything else and they have no fear of losing it. The only reason they might be doing any is as practice or as more money laundering. When they actually want something shut down or shut up, they will just do it and that will be that. Miles is 61 and (according to him) is looking better and being more productive than ever, which even according to him is because he has nothing, I would add to having nothing, well nothing they are interested in him not having because as much as there is a lot of fakery in the media I am sure they do actually have people willing to kill for their money. |
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Post by Gijs on Sept 23, 2024 8:08:15 GMT
Kieran was also the guy who asked us all @ CttF to fill in his survey which he used for his university-thesis / paper. That can all be easily true & good & genuine. I got more something like 3rd Doorman-vibes from him, last time around: he now thinks he can outmaneuver Miles by his very rigorous scientific thinking. I think Swathy's remark "You're trying too hard, buddy" or something, was the best.
I also wrote to Kieran / Overdue that Miles just doesn't bother with maybe-spooks, and he came back about 'false positives', zzzz
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Post by Michael on Sept 23, 2024 11:34:48 GMT
Kieran was also the guy who asked us all @ CttF to fill in his survey which he used for his university-thesis / paper. That can all be easily true & good & genuine. I got more something like 3rd Doorman-vibes from him, last time around: he now thinks he can outmaneuver Miles by his very rigorous scientific thinking. I think Swathy's remark "You're trying too hard, buddy" or something, was the best. I also wrote to Kieran / Overdue that Miles just doesn't bother with maybe-spooks, and he came back about 'false positives', zzzz Yes, third dorrman is possible. I am not sure how he is trying to out manoeuvre Miles. I thought he was trying to support him and Miles was just unimpressed by the dated conspiracies that were used in the linked paper. I didn't think it was cause for the hissy fit. I did read the results of that thesis, like most of academia it did leave me thinking "so....." But, the mere fact that he is in academia is a bad sign. However, Miles does criticise the lack of support from within academia - which is a have your cake and eat it dilemma. What answer would have satisfied you from Kieran? If someone asked me about me being a spook, I would probably say something like I wish I was - the pay would be better and Q could set me up with a lovely Aston Martin and some really cool gadgets, not to mention the birds. So I think "false positives" is a fair and reasonable answer. What about Dane? Bear in mind I got booted from BoomerHaven, at the behest of Miles, for pointing out anagrams of Miles that may have indicated he was promoting his own posts (which would be absolutely fair enough), so obviously I think he has massive personality red flags. Question everything, except Miles Mathis! |
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