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Post by Gijs on Jun 10, 2023 20:32:06 GMT
Hi Archer,
- sorry, I've been between laptops last few weeks-
Hey but when we discussed Grant Genereux I didn't get the feeling you thought he was soooo much off, but just a little short of the swedish guy.
I thought you were put off by him because of him mistreating animals for experiments, and only that (is this the gerbils-story, I've never found any video's about that yet?)
@ everybody: food is the most difficult discussion, I think. Could be it's just different for everybody individually what they need, but I don't know even that. I've been doing extensively Macrobiotic, Raw Food, and all kinds of smaller cults. I've been doing the non-Vitamin A now for a while, and feel pretty good. But I also adapted Archer's idea of eating meat raw, could be it's because of that.
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Post by Derek Bluthal on Jun 10, 2023 23:05:28 GMT
I have eczema, and also a friend of mine, mine started after having a booster shot 20 years ago, my friend after he had a flu jab. Coincidence? Ik denk niet.
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Post by amanda on Jun 11, 2023 0:12:56 GMT
Daniel, regarding eczema, poison and leaky gut - Grant Genereux argues that vitamin A is actually a poison, the vitamin A research is flawed and he has gone low vitamin A for going on nine years now to show that we don't need it.
Garrett Smith has gone further and developed the Toxic Bile Theory. Vitamin A, copper, mercury, vaccines, pharmaceuticals, polyphenols, vitamin D supplements, cannabis, etc... are all toxins. They get from the digestive tract into the blood and the liver has to extract these poisons from the blood and accumulate them. The liver then dumps some poisons into the bile it creates, to excrete from the intestines as poop. As this bile mix becomes more toxic from all the insults of our modern world, it turns into a toxic lava that damages the intestines, which results in leaky gut, and damages the bile ducts causing bile to leak into the blood. Now this toxic bile in the blood circulates around the body doing damage depending on your weak links until it can be pulled out by the liver again. Something like that anyway.
The liver can store a ton of poison until it fills up and can't. Chronic disease, cancer, etc... are the result. Smith proposes that cancer is the body's way of walling off these poisons in fatty tissue. Bile has been found in tumours. It is a medical paradigm shift.
Apparently the Rockefellers and Merck funded research on vit A & D in the early 1900's to sell the dairy industry. Surely they wouldn't want us harmed?
It might therefore be good advice to keep vitamin A low and not to take vitamin D supplements as they are also used as next level rat poison. There is so much more to both their bodies of work though. Smith has a weekly YouTube (also available as a podcast on Spotify) video on his Nutrition Detective site for anyone who is interested. He is up to episode 97 and they each go for one to two hours. Hard to summarise on a blog forum.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Jun 11, 2023 7:49:44 GMT
Daniel, regarding eczema, poison and leaky gut - Grant Genereux argues that vitamin A is actually a poison, the vitamin A research is flawed and he has gone low vitamin A for going on nine years now to show that we don't need it. Garrett Smith has gone further and developed the Toxic Bile Theory. Vitamin A, copper, mercury, vaccines, pharmaceuticals, polyphenols, vitamin D supplements, cannabis, etc... are all toxins. They get from the digestive tract into the blood and the liver has to extract these poisons from the blood and accumulate them. The liver then dumps some poisons into the bile it creates, to excrete from the intestines as poop. As this bile mix becomes more toxic from all the insults of our modern world, it turns into a toxic lava that damages the intestines, which results in leaky gut, and damages the bile ducts causing bile to leak into the blood. Now this toxic bile in the blood circulates around the body doing damage depending on your weak links until it can be pulled out by the liver again. Something like that anyway. The liver can store a ton of poison until it fills up and can't. Chronic disease, cancer, etc... are the result. Smith proposes that cancer is the body's way of walling off these poisons in fatty tissue. Bile has been found in tumours. It is a medical paradigm shift. Apparently the Rockefellers and Merck funded research on vit A & D in the early 1900's to sell the dairy industry. Surely they wouldn't want us harmed? It might therefore be good advice to keep vitamin A low and not to take vitamin D supplements as they are also used as next level rat poison. There is so much more to both their bodies of work though. Smith has a weekly YouTube (also available as a podcast on Spotify) video on his Nutrition Detective site for anyone who is interested. He is up to episode 97 and they each go for one to two hours. Hard to summarise on a blog forum. Yes, don't take supplements. Vitamin D you get most from the sun and a little from animal foods. I have to reitarate, industrial vitamin A and vitamin A from animals (retinoids) are not the same thing. You listed a lot of poisons correctly but copper is not a poison (only in excess) and actually vital for us to function properly! Very dangerous to list copper as a poison. |
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Post by Daniel Archer on Jun 11, 2023 8:02:44 GMT
Hi Archer,
- sorry, I've been between laptops last few weeks- Hey but when we discussed Grant Genereux I didn't get the feeling you thought he was soooo much off, but just a little short of the swedish guy.
I thought you were put off by him because of him mistreating animals for experiments, and only that (is this the gerbils-story, I've never found any video's about that yet?) @ everybody: food is the most difficult discussion, I think. Could be it's just different for everybody individually what they need, but I don't know even that. I've been doing extensively Macrobiotic, Raw Food, and all kinds of smaller cults. I've been doing the non-Vitamin A now for a while, and feel pretty good. But I also adapted Archer's idea of eating meat raw, could be it's because of that.
BTW: How the hell did we get on this topic while it's supposed to be 'Cat Care' Hi Gijs, Well, he is right about poisons being bad, but that is already known information, ofcourse poisons are bad, DUH, so now what is actually bad, Amanda listed a few above, but copper is not one of them. And with Vitamin A you have to separate the animal form (healthy for us), the plant form (not so healthy for us and useless as most people can not convert caretonoids to retinol) and the industrial form ( very bad for us). So GG is telling some known truth and then mucking it up, i don't like that, together with the overtly long obtuse writing and speaking (see video below) The gerbil thing is here> gerbil torture , also it is a FAILED experiment, but he still tries to salvage it as a supporting peace of evidence while it is not. He could have kept the gerbils in his home and always have a nice temperature for them, he chose not too because he is either A) an idiot, B) an animal abuser. ---- Rauw vlees! Lekker man :-) Laatst had ik wat rauwe lamsnier, vers van de bio slager, was lekker. Regards, Daniel |
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Post by tillandsia on Jun 14, 2023 19:52:55 GMT
ggenereux.blog/There is the link to his blog. The links to his ebooks are at the top of the page. BTW, I watched the video about his gerbils after you mentioned it. I think you may have mis-interpreted what happened. He left the animals in someone's care while he was away. They were negligent, and when he returned the animals were suffering and their survival was iffy at best. I did not get the impression that he callously disposed of the critters. For what it's worth. Thanks, i only ever saw the blog and did not like his posts. I tried the fires book, it is very bad (the writing) and difficult to read, not sure i can get through it. It starts with eczema and he posits the cause is poison and presents it as if that is a novel approach, it is not. Eczema is caused by a leaky gut and the leaky gut is because of bad foods; this was already known when he wrote that book so he is just a bad researcher. So that is 0 out 1 on the first page.... I will try to get through more.. not today today, the sun is up, i am going out. Eczema is caused by toxic bile going into the bloodstream instead of staying in the pathway between the liver and gut. Grant figured out which "bad" foods caused flares of autoimmune disorders, and what most of them had in common were various retinoids. Most of us have some degree of liver damage due to the toxic loads we are exposed to every day of our lives. If our detox systems can't keep up. the body stores them in the liver and in fat deposits to protect the heart, brain and other vital organs. When storage is overwhelmed, we get symptoms that can vary depending on each individual's weaknesses. The toxins can affect any and all parts of the body. "Vitamin" A is one of many toxins the liver deals with, but it's a biggie. Dr. Garret Smith has found research papers that link bile and/or retinoids to a wide variety of ailments, including mental disorders, skin problems, infertility and much more. He works daily to understand the root cause of illness and help his clients heal themselves by minimizing intake of toxins and supplementing deficiencies in necessary minerals so the body can detox and heal. If you watch his free weekly jootube livestreams all of this will start to make sense. |
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Post by tillandsia on Jun 14, 2023 20:02:45 GMT
Hi Gijs,
Well, he is right about poisons being bad, but that is already known information, ofcourse poisons are bad, DUH, so now what is actually bad, Amanda listed a few above, but copper is not one of them. And with Vitamin A you have to separate the animal form (healthy for us), the plant form (not so healthy for us and useless as most people can not convert carotenoids to retinol) and the industrial form ( very bad for us). So GG is telling some known truth and then mucking it up, i don't like that, together with the overtly long obtuse writing and speaking (see video below)
Sorry Daniel, but you are wrong about copper and "vitamin" A. In the body there is no difference between animal, plat or industrial forms. Garret Smith has a video showing how the body converts them all to the same toxic molecules. He can also show how copper is a toxin. We have all been lied to by both mainstream and alt nutrition gurus. Dr. Smith is ferreting out the truth, and has the testimonies of many clients to back up his approach.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Jun 15, 2023 5:37:52 GMT
Hi Gijs, Well, he is right about poisons being bad, but that is already known information, ofcourse poisons are bad, DUH, so now what is actually bad, Amanda listed a few above, but copper is not one of them. And with Vitamin A you have to separate the animal form (healthy for us), the plant form (not so healthy for us and useless as most people can not convert carotenoids to retinol) and the industrial form ( very bad for us). So GG is telling some known truth and then mucking it up, i don't like that, together with the overtly long obtuse writing and speaking (see video below) Sorry Daniel, but you are wrong about copper and "vitamin" A. In the body there is no difference between animal, plat or industrial forms. Garret Smith has a video showing how the body converts them all to the same toxic molecules. He can also show how copper is a toxin. We have all been lied to by both mainstream and alt nutrition gurus. Dr. Smith is ferreting out the truth, and has the testimonies of many clients to back up his approach. eating carrots or raw liver is not the same. And how is copper a toxin, you say 'he can show', but did he show and how? |
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Post by erwin on Jun 15, 2023 17:28:05 GMT
Grant Genereux's writings and his ideas seem genuine to me. His expose of retinoids/vitamin-A is a major thing, and would fit the usual conjob world**. But it is all still a work in progress, especially how to get out of the health problems, once you're in it. On the other hand: I am suspicious of anything Garrett Smith. Seen some red flags over the years. ** example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller_International |
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Post by erwin on Jun 21, 2023 17:46:43 GMT
I am wondering about the section in Grants' 2nd book about retinal in vision. That is a "problematic" story from the mainstream. dictionary.apa.org/visual-cycleHow much 11-cis retinal is reconstitutioned (recycled)? I cannot find such numbers.A little? Everything? This guy first claimed it, and got a nobel prize for that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_WaldGeorge Wald (November 18, 1906
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As a postdoctoral researcher, Wald discovered that vitamin A was a component of the retina. His further experiments showed that when the pigment rhodopsin was exposed to light, it yielded the protein opsin and a compound containing vitamin A. This suggested that vitamin A was essential in retinal function.
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George Wald was born in New York City, the son of Ernestine (Rosenmann) and Isaac Wald, Jewish immigrant parents.Also, his wife Ruth Hubbard links from there. Just skimped it a bit. Edit: I feel like chasing this a bit more, will create a topic for it in the section "Health Matters". Title is "Vitamin-A / Retinoids continued". |
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Post by Birdie on Sept 30, 2023 8:44:16 GMT
I've read a lot of Genereux's work and initially was impressed. Now, not so sure. There's so much conflicting '' evidence'' out there that I'm still undecided. All I do know is that Grant looks a deeply unhealthy 'grey' man in his videos. Does this speak louder than words?
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Post by Daniel Archer on Sept 30, 2023 22:50:48 GMT
I've read a lot of Genereux's work and initially was impressed. Now, not so sure. There's so much conflicting '' evidence'' out there that I'm still undecided. All I do know is that Grant looks a deeply unhealthy 'grey' man in his videos. Does this speak louder than words? Like a G-Man from Half-Life LoL. And yes, you can completely judge a person based on how his/her face looks. |
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Post by Daniel Archer on Oct 1, 2023 7:18:46 GMT
But on the "if it's animal it's good" front, anecdotally I knew a lady with vitamin A poisoning. Actually diagnosed by doctors back in the 2000s. She went to Hungary and had a goose liver dish a few times, it was notorious for high vitamin a, and the country even put out warnings about the dish for outsiders. She fell ill with symptoms like mono or lupus, and had to modify her diet a lot. She never supplemented vit a in her life. What was the status of the goose? If it was already poisoned then the liver is poisoned too, would have nothing to do with Vitamin A. |
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Post by erwin on Oct 3, 2023 18:22:48 GMT
What was the status of the goose? If it was already poisoned then the liver is poisoned too, would have nothing to do with Vitamin A. I don't know. If you mean supplemented with vitamin a in its feed, I'd say less likely, East Euros do that less than us. If I remember it was just some very concentrated pate like dish. I have read like 95% of what Grant wrote on his website, and in his books. It is easy to read for me. The most hitting pieces are actually just him quoting mainstream publications. Like this on Page 38, PoisoningForProfits.pdf I just checked the source, that is what is written in that paper there. That paper is from 1947 long before Grant quoted it. So even if you don't want to take it from him, You can try to make sense of why this contradicts what your supposed to think of this substance... Or you know, if you don't like someones face somewhere then don't  |
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Post by Daniel Archer on Oct 4, 2023 6:02:45 GMT
Halibut liver oil can be contaminated. Who knows how it was made..
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