Gerry
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 47
|
Post by Gerry on May 1, 2023 19:57:43 GMT
Hi everyone, I now published the first decryption of an Ancient Egyptian text on Ancient-Spooks.de: It's the Great Hymn to Aten. And even though Egyptian hieroglyphs look so mysterious & intimidating, this text worked just like in Hebrew and all the other languages: Each word simply encrypts another word that is somewhat similar. If you read the secret text, all the mysteries & oddities of the literal text disappear, and you get a straightforward recipe for how the rich & powerful can deceive their own subjects, through cheating & pretense. For those who still think that the rulers before the Phoenicians were all just straightforward dictators, this should be evidence to the contrary. Rulers could be deceptive scum in all epochs! Enjoy!!! 😃
|
|
|
Post by Lol' on May 4, 2023 3:30:40 GMT
I looked through some of your interpretations regarding Aten. Mainstream mythologists regard Aten as the "Sun disk", but Dave Talbott, Cardona et al found that it made the most sense as a dusty ring around Saturn (which I think they found to have been formed from a cometary tail of Venus) and that Ra originally referred to Saturn, not the Sun. I think Earth was initially about 3 million miles behind Saturn, 1.5 million miles behind Venus and about .9 million miles behind Mars, as they were all coming into the solar system, similar to the way the SL9 comet pieces followed each other in a straight line when they broke up at Jupiter in 1992 until they returned to Jupiter in 1994. Words in ancient languages can be interpreted in many ways. If you consider the words in the contexts of other myths throughout the world and the facts of ancient cataclysms, I think that provides the best interpretation. Miles has criticized Velikovsky and Talbott, but I'm not real impressed with his criticisms. I think they were honest and sincere researchers who had good insights. I wrote about Aten, Ankh etc within the last few months in these 3 posts: www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&p=8885&hilit=aten#p8804www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&p=8885&hilit=aten#p8885www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&p=8498&hilit=aten#p8498
|
|
Gerry
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 47
|
Post by Gerry on May 4, 2023 11:49:21 GMT
Hi LOL, I got the impression that the "Saturn" stuff has a large following simply because it's "cool" mysticism, but there are really no arguments behind it.
Yes, I am also not impressed by Miles' criticism of Velikovsky & Talbott, but that's because he has still adopted their "alien origins" nonsense. Without any arguments, just like Velikovsky & Talbott have no arguments. I'd rate Miles "Saturn" paper as worst of all times. I have read Talbott's "Saturn Myth", and it was really "complete garbage", just like Miles said. It's just randomly strung together citations of various myths, mostly without even a hint of how they'd relate to Saturn.
Yes, words can be "interpreted" in countless ways, if you don't need verification. So there will always be many mysticist gurus, who just pick a few words, "reinterpret" them into something "cool", without arguments or verification, and will have a large instant following.
That's why I don't "interpret" individual words. I match them to similar words, using only official meanings found in the dictionaries. That only allows a handful of meaningful choices. Then I match entire sentences and long texts. The resulting encrypted text has to be continuous and also has to make sense, using only the straightforward dictionary translations. It's almost impossible to get a consistent second meaning that way, unless the authors wrote it into the text. As proof, ask yourself this: Why have none of the studied, well-funded mainstream & alternative "authorities" of all ages ever used this method to get a secret meaning out of these texts, one that'd suit their "cool" theories and please their followers? It's impossible, that's why.
My research is also based purely on logical & realistic assumptions: Namely, that powerful people can be corrupt and use their power for deception. My research also answers meaningful questions, that cannot be answered in any other way: Why is our world so full of deception? Why do the elites use so many religious references, and are at the same time anti-religious? Where does the apparent "Jewish" influence & power come from? I can explain it all, because my decryptions show that ancient rulers were already deceivers, who they didn't believe in religion, and that much of the world was colonized from Phoenicia. What questions are explained by "alien origins"? None.
Case in point is the Great Hymn to Aten: Here, "Aten" is described as rising when people wake up, being in the sky during the day, setting when people go to sleep, making plants grow, and also as shining with rays. So, a translation as "sun" makes total sense. My decryption as "secrecy" also makes sense, and can be verified through the many other words that mean "secret" & "cover", some even literally. A translation as "Saturn" makes no sense at all, there's no argument or verification to it, not in this text, and not anywhere else.
|
|
Ben
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 22
|
Post by Ben on May 10, 2023 20:38:19 GMT
So are the "puns" here based mainly on the transliterations? For example, the glyphs for 'glory' and 'horizon' are entirely different, and the transliteration is the link. But those are just the root letters, right? Unlike Hebrew, those weren't what were written, and we don't know exactly how the words were pronounced. So how do we know that the authors would have linked those words?
|
|
Ben
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 22
|
Post by Ben on May 10, 2023 20:52:15 GMT
he has still adopted their "alien origins" nonsense. Without any arguments, just like Velikovsky & Talbott have no arguments. I assume that's intentional. He knows there is already a cottage industry pushing alien theories, and doesn't feel the need to join in. He knows the evidence isn't conclusive and would rather speculate than persuade. I don't see the harm in that. I'll take that over, say, his calculus papers where he tries and fails miserably to write mathematical proofs of his conjectures. THAT stuff is embarrassing.
|
|
Gerry
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 47
|
Post by Gerry on May 11, 2023 8:06:02 GMT
So are the "puns" here based mainly on the transliterations? For example, the glyphs for 'glory' and 'horizon' are entirely different, and the transliteration is the link. But those are just the root letters, right? Unlike Hebrew, those weren't what were written, and we don't know exactly how the words were pronounced. So how do we know that the authors would have linked those words? Each word has dozens of spelling variants, and since the glyphs take up so much space, I opted for displaying only one, and often had to make a compromise choice.
For ȝḫt "horizon", there are 2 spelling variants: Some with the "sun-over-mountains" glyph N27, and some with the "bald-ibis" glyph G25. The similar word ȝḫt "glory" is only ever spelled with the "bald-ibis" glyph G25.
The problem is that the Egyptian artists who fashioned the tomb chose the N27 spelling for "horizon". I could either list the G25 spelling for both "horizon" and "glory", but then people might think it has nothing to do with the tomb inscription. Or I could list the N27 spelling for the original, and the G25 spelling for the supposed pun, but then people might think the words aren't really similar, like you. I could list both spellings, but that would take up lots of space, and it'd probably even confuse people, who'd take it for one long word or something. I hope you can see the dilemma here.
Sadly, the online dictionary doesn't allow linking directly to entries. You can take the link and then search for "Axt" under "Transliterations", or for "horizon" and "glory" under "Translations". Then you'll find all the spellings, and can see they're similar.
There's also a listing of "Alternative forms" at the Wiktionary entry for ȝḫt, you have to click the "show" button next to it.
And that's not the end of it... There are many words which are similar, but which have no overlapping spelling variants at all, yet would still be pronounced similar. The reason is that glyphs like N27 or G25 are just shorthands for plain alphabet-letter spellings: The "bald-ibis" glyph G25 is really just a shorthand for ȝḫ, and you can also write that with the alphabet letters ȝ and ḫ, or with other shorthands.
If I manage to decrypt more Egyptian texts, I'll probably expand the introduction to Egyptian to explain this in more detail. (By coincidence, there's already another "bald-ibis" ȝḫt included there.)
Until then, don't hesitate to ask if you got problems with a glyph spelling.
|
|
Gerry
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 47
|
Post by Gerry on Jun 2, 2023 15:54:18 GMT
So are the "puns" here based mainly on the transliterations? For example, the glyphs for 'glory' and 'horizon' are entirely different, and the transliteration is the link. But those are just the root letters, right? Unlike Hebrew, those weren't what were written, and we don't know exactly how the words were pronounced. So how do we know that the authors would have linked those words? I now found a couple of French websites where you can link to individual dictionary entries, based on an old Faulkner dictionary, and they also list some variants. They don't have as many entries as the Vygus based search I am linking to right now, but it might help for a few common words.
Here are the entries for "horizon" and "profitable" (which are the same in French as in English), so you can see that there is a spelling overlap with the Egyptian hieroglyphs, e.g. both words having variants that are spelled with the "bald-ibis" glyph G25. (The "glory" meaning you asked about isn't included there, but it's related: Instead of "splendour of the cover" you could read "profitability of the cover" or "usefulness of the cover". The root meaning is "stuff that is good".) Would it help if I linked to the French dictionaries next time, whenever they have the relevant entries?
|
|
Ben
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 22
|
Post by Ben on Jun 4, 2023 6:17:55 GMT
The first site is dead for me, and second site seems to contain the same info as the one you've been using.
If I understand what you're trying to do, you can link to entries by constructing a specific search string and submitting it through an HTML form, for example: <form action="https://middleegyptian.azurewebsites.net/Search/Submit" method="post"> <input name="Type" type="text" value="all" /> <input name="Query" type="text" value="Axt profitable" /> <input name="SignQuery" type="text" value="" /> <input name="ExactMatch" type="text" value="true" /> <input name="DisplayFormatted" type="text" value="true" /> <button type="submit" value="Submit"> go </button> </form>
On your site, the input elements would be hidden and the link would use javascript to populate the fields and submit the form.
But maybe I'm misunderstanding your goal.
|
|
Gerry
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 47
|
Post by Gerry on Jun 4, 2023 20:54:16 GMT
Yeah, I suppose I could hide all the input fields and style the submit button like a link. That's probably the most practical solution, thanks for the tip. 🙂
Apparently, you can't search for a combination of transliteration and translation though. I'll probably just go for an exact match of the transliteration then, like you'd see it on a Wiktionary page. Have you figured out what the hidden SignQuery field does?
Also, could you try the hierogl.ch site again? It's not dead for me, and I was going to use it for a few links, as I thought it was pretty useful.
|
|
Ben
Bot till proven otherwise
Posts: 22
|
Post by Ben on Jun 5, 2023 4:00:58 GMT
You're right, the "All" option should match multiple fields, but instead it only matches one field for each entry. It is very poorly implemented.
SignQuery is the query when searching for glyphs. For example, you can set Type to "gardiner" and SignQuery to "N27 X1 O1".
And I still can't reach hierogl.ch, not from my computer or my phone.
|
|