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Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 14, 2024 6:46:43 GMT
Sociocracy does not exist on the internet and never will.
You can only be 'good' with your local tribe, your family. Any extension and humans tend to get nasty, like headhunting, which is really a normal natural thing.
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Post by Michael on Feb 14, 2024 11:26:16 GMT
erwin It is growth, for which I thank the spirits (or whatever) that put Miles in my path to learn from and move on from, clearly I needed a yank out of that cosy zone I had fallen into - is that my unconscious pushing me on - probably, is unconscious driven by something beyond - who really knows. . But, I was wrong about him which is why I apologised to the like of sarc for my over zealous defence of him. lol That sounds like many methods of good communication. He (or his simulacrum) called me a troll and sent me to spam. Yeah, not behaviour that I respect in a genius IQ, 60 year old with a degree in Philosophy. More the actions of a man child with a giant ego. As I said over there. happy to have it out with him, but, nah, he just spat the dummy (got his panties in a bunch, or whatever else you want to call it). Not sure that you'll want to be linking to this thread now. I am happy to delete my more contentious points. Though you aren't really saying what the point of the thread is anyway. Why would anyone want to come and look? What are you asking them to do?
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Post by Michael on Feb 14, 2024 11:27:42 GMT
Sociocracy does not exist on the internet and never will. You can only be 'good' with your local tribe, your family. Any extension and humans tend to get nasty, like headhunting, which is really a normal natural thing. Totally agree with this. Local is the first place to start. There needs to be kinship and bonds |
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Post by lol on Feb 14, 2024 18:01:19 GMT
Here and Now is the place to start.
Obviously, many groups and orgs hold meetings online. Therefore, it's possible to do so using Sociocratic principles.
Furthermore, SoFA does hold Sociocratic meetings online, so it's totally wrong to say Sociocracy will never work online.
To have meetings, there needs to be common interest, not kinship etc. There's plenty of common interest among people online.
This is what A.I. says is needed for # Online Sociocratic Meeting.
## 1. Opening Round
- Each participant shares a brief personal update or check-in.
## 2. Administrative Matters
- Review and approve the agenda.
- Review and approve the minutes of the last meeting.
## 3. Updates
- Each team or circle provides a brief update on their activities.
## 4. Proposals and Discussions
- Each proposal is presented, discussed, and consented to or rejected.
- Use rounds to ensure everyone has a chance to speak.
- The facilitator ensures that discussions stay on topic.
## 5. Role Selections
- If necessary, select or review roles within the circle.
## 6. Feedback
- Each participant can give feedback on the meeting process.
## 7. Closing Round
- Each participant shares a brief reflection on the meeting or a check-out.
## 8. Next Meeting
- Confirm the time and date of the next meeting.
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Post by lol on Feb 14, 2024 18:05:04 GMT
I plan to look for a platform or procedure that will make Sociocratic meetings easy to run and join.
Ending Major Corruption is the common interest I think may be best to start with.
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Post by erwin on Feb 14, 2024 19:13:24 GMT
For this thread, Sociocracy would probably use NVC (nonviolent communication) at this point to deal with our EMOTIONS. NVC might say something like Michael seems upset with Miles for expelling him from the other forum. And Erwin seems puzzled that Michael has gone from pro- to anti-Miles so quickly. Right? It depends, whether Michael's recent, let's say writings, are because of emotions, limitations, or because of interests that are conflicting with those of other members. If it is the latter, then it is futile to try to glue that, with any kind of talking. Good luck with the Sociocracy idea. I don't know what it is about yet, and have no opinion on it currently. |
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Post by lol on Feb 15, 2024 5:23:32 GMT
@ erwin , I think everyone's main interest in the MM movement is to learn about corruption and to see it defeated. There doesn't seem to be significant conflict there. I see corruption as preventing some people's needs being met and Sociocracy as a way to help insure that everyone's needs are met, by giving everyone a voice in decision-making. Democracy was supposed to do that I guess, but it's based on majority rule usually, and that only insures that the majority's needs are sometimes met. PS, obviously, majority rule has easily been manipulable by the ruling class, so that only the ruling class's desires are always satisfied, while everyone else's are only occasionally satisfied. |
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Post by erwin on Feb 15, 2024 17:42:53 GMT
@ erwin , I think everyone's main interest in the MM movement is to learn about corruption and to see it defeated. There doesn't seem to be significant conflict there. I see corruption as preventing some people's needs being met and Sociocracy as a way to help insure that everyone's needs are met, by giving everyone a voice in decision-making. Democracy was supposed to do that I guess, but it's based on majority rule usually, and that only insures that the majority's needs are sometimes met. PS, obviously, majority rule has easily been manipulable by the ruling class, so that only the ruling class's desires are always satisfied, while everyone else's are only occasionally satisfied. I have two complaints about democracy. One is what you already wrote, it gets infitrated and remains just as an empty cover. This one is the 'not-quite-democracy' from the post-colonial times we know so well. The other complaint is, if it would not be infiltrated, that it would still tend to some sort of populism. It would not bring into effect what is wise, but instead follow short-sighted and short-term desires. Though there is little practical experience on how exactly this plays out, because it never got that far. |
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Post by erwin on Feb 15, 2024 17:57:15 GMT
Another thought on this. I don't know if it contributes. But IMO it seems there are two types of corruption nowadays. The system promotes a certain corruption for money (as provided by shady business, doing the dirty work in expanding the PN's reach), but the system punishes any corruption against their interests. Like trying to avoid taxes, or breaking certain environmental or new-age cultural rules.
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