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Post by Bella on Apr 28, 2024 14:59:14 GMT
On the topic of mwm's artwork and the following question: does painting (art) conceals or reveals the painter (artist)?
Since mwm's errors and logical fallacies are being discussed in other threads, here's another problem with Miles' argumentation (or lack of) that occured to me.
When he wrote about certain accusations made against him, he stated there was no way he (mwm) could be gay, based on the fact that he painted plenty of naked (oops, "nude", dahling, "nude") female models as the main subject in his "oeuvre". However, this proves nothing. In the same way, there's plenty of male fashion designers (most of whom being openly gay) who also have no problem being around plenty of naked, attractive women and models whom they just love to undress and dress, like dolls (similar to the activity of playing with Barbie dolls). Also I've met gay men who weren't fashion designers but nevertheless regarded and treated women and girl friends as such, dolls.
What's more, how come none of the young females he painted (some of them very, very young), displays positive energy, at all. It's either boredom or vapid languor rather than true melancholy, with sulky or depressive faces and postures again and again. Maybe he bores them all? Since he comes across as unlikeable and an over-fussy, major pain in the a--. His smudgy mawkishness seems to be "de rigueur" in his paintings, he must think it compensates for any real depth in his style. And it's easy to see where the yanks lack the European background, the finesse and subtle je-ne-sais-quoi it takes to move or elevate viewers. mwm's bitter comments towards artists that are more appreciated or popular than him (regardless of the talent), is a common trait among "artistes manqués" — only worse among gay, or repressed gay failed artists. |
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Post by Michael on May 1, 2024 17:36:11 GMT
@bella
I have no idea whether painting conceals or reveals the artist. I suppose it would depend on how honest they are being in their work and what it is that you are looking to reveal. I am sure there are things / truths that it would reveal to the keen observer.
Yes, I don't think painting female nudes means that you are definitely not gay, I also don't have any reason to think that it makes you more likely to be gay. Is Miles gay? From reading a lot of his writing I would guess not. He seems to be quite into girls and he gains nothing by not being gay. So why would he bother hiding it? Either way, I don't really think it matters. Is there a reason that it matters that I am missing?
Sometimes criticism of the mainstream pop culture is justified, or do you think the market is everything? Which would mean that Taylor Swift being rightfully the high point of musical expression? And the Mona Lisa smoking a spliff was a great artistic expression.
As for the models energy, it could be anything that you say. My guess is that is just how he likes to paint them. It looks like art from about 200 years ago. I think he is just impressed with himself being able to create a decent version of this style and has given himself more kudos than the art world, art market or casual observer would and that made him bitter. I think he quits things before he gets to the level where he would really be considered a master, which is just as well as he is 200 years late.
I think it might be a bit harsh to lump that criticism on the whole of the American art world, but hey, I am from the nation of shopkeepers so what would I know.
As for gays / repressed gays being more bitter than straight people, well there is certainly that as a stereotype, whether it is true I am sure is a fascinating debate for you to have with someone one day.
I trust I have answered your questions as candidly as you would desire. If you have any further points or queries than I am interested to hear them.
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Post by Bella on May 2, 2024 15:20:49 GMT
From reading a lot of his writing I would guess not. He seems to be quite into girls and he gains nothing by not being gay. So why would he bother hiding it? Either way, I don't really think it matters. Is there a reason that it matters that I am missing? Sometimes criticism of the mainstream pop culture is justified, or do you think the market is everything? Which would mean that Taylor Swift being rightfully the high point of musical expression? And the Mona Lisa smoking a spliff was a great artistic expression. I think it might be a bit harsh to lump that criticism on the whole of the American art world, but hey, I am from the nation of shopkeepers so what would I know. I’ve read quite a few papers by him and on several occasions I was appalled to read the crude and offensive terms he was using for a woman or a young girl, e.g. "great tits", "young and tight” (eek)... That struck me as mean, gratuitous vulgarity unworthy of a painter of “traditional” female nudes. It made me think he actually despises women and it was an indication he might be gay or repressed gay. Lying to oneself is bad enough, but deceiving the readers about that would matter a good deal, not just to female readers. If you still don’t see it or exactly why that would be a problem then it’s a pity, considering what we know and waht he writes about all the G-word (and J-word) terrible leaders on planet Earth.
Criticism of the mainstream pop culture is 100% justified but for me but it’s stating the obvious. I never needed guys like Miles to do it for me, it was just a confirmation of something I had already noticed a long time before reading his papers. So I don’t see what made you think the market was everything to me in any way, that wasn’t my point. I’m not at all into any of the modern “art” and I consider current and new movies, music, and all the rest garbage.
Harshness, huh. Have you read his paper “An Art Lesson”? I thought he was full of it and frankly I much prefer to look at Dan Gerhartz’s artwork, his models, choice of colours, settings and compositions (his Spring wet paints particularly) over Mathis’s lethargic, sullen beauties. Showing optimism and vitality is not necessarily being all “pretty-pretty” according to Mathis’ description of Gerhartz’s style. Showing boredom and gloom doesn’t make better art.
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Post by Michael on May 6, 2024 16:01:46 GMT
@bella I get your point about the choice of words, I just don't think that the logical extension leads to being gay. In fact I think it leads to quite the opposite conclusion. Having said that I didn't notice that he was being particularly vulgar. As for the age thing, I didn't notice "young and tight" but yeah, definitely younger than I would really go for, but then I always liked older ladies.
Agreed, that a criticism of the mainstream is a bit obvious. though I do think Mathis brings an interesting perspective. Glad you don't think the market is everything (or any of the sort). I think it was the [i[popular/i] comment that triggered me. TBF, I don't think I said that you "thought the market was everything," but we are splitting hairs.
To clarify, my harshness comment was in reference to the whole of America not to what Mathis says.
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Post by Bella on May 7, 2024 11:02:50 GMT
Michael To say the least, the word ephebophile comes to mind when it comes to his personal tastes. He wrote "killer tits" about a girl he saw in some movie by that Weirdo Allen creep, whose work dominates his list of favourite films. His gross comment "young and tight" made me sick, feel free to search in the haystack; I can't be bothered.
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Post by Bella on May 7, 2024 13:28:43 GMT
Michael PS it's admitted everyone in holly-wood is G- and cultivates the fake (like all the beards in couples), Holly-Woody-Al's no exception. The ugly (and very likely fake) pair he forms with asian Soon-Yi is everyone in the couple he forms with her is very reminiscent of John L & Yoyo-Ono; white gay male & ugly, short asian doll. They fake the hetero relationship all the time. If you see what I'm getting at about mwm and his preferences. You see how shrewd he is, I'm sure he is loving having a good laugh at his readers' expense.
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Post by Michael on May 7, 2024 15:55:22 GMT
The "killer tits" comment was about Scarlett Johanssen in Match Point by Woody Allen. She was 29 at the time, so an acceptable age. He was really being disparaging about her acting abilities. I can't say I have strong opinions on any of that. I am sure her tits were just fine but she wasn't likely to be offering me a private viewing.
I have searched for "young and tight" and it doesn't come up, so I suspect it was close to that but not close enough for the search.
Yeah, it is a very common trope; the gay Hollywood actor and beard. I think it has got to the point where Jane Fonda even references herself as one in "Grace & Frankie" so hardly ground-breaking reportage.
I see what you are getting at but I don't agree with you that Miles is aware of his gayness and is laughing at his readers because of it. My personal take is he is a massive ego that has failed to reach the heights he thinks he deserves and is now very bitter about it. He would love to be in the club but wouldn't make the effort or the compromises and is trying to convince himself that he is happy with his choices.
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Post by Bella on May 7, 2024 16:23:15 GMT
Agree with some of the points you made, and the massive ego. He does sound self-deluded and bitter about not being in the club. I bet he got dumped for those reasons as well; he hardly ever question himself honestly as he doesn't have the maturity to do so.
How about this: do you know many straight guys who at age 60, share a house with...a male friend (see what he says in his paper "My move"), and...cats? Seriously.
Not surprised he likes cats so much; devious like him. Cat owners they tend to be shrewd as well as neurotic, according to research.
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Post by Michael on May 9, 2024 18:05:43 GMT
Cheers @bella
Your cat point is clever rhetoric but I don't think it is strong enough to prove the case. I think he has ended up living with a guy because he is skint because he hasn't ever had a job or got his life together. Which is why Mary gave him the boot. As for cats well he is certainly an eccentric - which he has embraced, but I don't think it has served him well.
Can I ask, how did you come across him and start reading him, and what was it that made you turn against him??
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Post by Bella on May 10, 2024 14:24:48 GMT
Michael Ah you will say I'm a bit prejudiced about cats/cat owners but the rhetoric was meant it more for cat collectors or owners of several cats in particular, I don't mind. Had a very nasty experience with an "eccentric" neighbour whose wandering cat was a complete nutter and public danger. As I found out later she was punished by her insurance company, so there was karma I guess. I think it was through a contr-oppo site that I first heard of him and josh, then searched his name and found his site & the cttf site (though can't remember exactly in which order). At first I his papers were kind of refreshing for me, up to a point; then his grandiose delusions and nastiness became clear to me and yeaincreasingly offputting as well his tone and interactions with anyone expressing the slightest criticism or difference of opinion.
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Post by Bella on May 10, 2024 16:36:52 GMT
PS Ahem I realise I've been (a little) too harsh and unfair, because I definitely learnt quite a lot from his papers (Diana, history, beyond the matrix and the more general papers). mwm was like a mentor for me, for a while. Maybe I'm ready to move on, or find another "mentor"; bashing mwm is not going to do that.
Ugh I have to keep my typo mistakes under control too; couldn't write papers or diaries, as even when I was a teenager, it never appealed to me, brothers around, self-consciousness and all that. Parents were quite the little tyrants, the type who think of their children as just extensions of themselves, how sadly mistaken they were. I was absent-minded both at home and school, though I loved arts and languages and wasn't bad at them, but so much frustration with everyone putting a spoke in my wheel. I must have found some common ground when reading mwm's story which intrigued me, like I said up to a point. Voilà! How did you hear about him, care to share?
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Post by Michael on May 12, 2024 0:30:39 GMT
@bella I am on exactly the same page as you, it sounds like we are cut from the same cloth. Though I have no issue with cats  amanda had a telegram group and someone that I had been chatting to from Delingpole's channel said it would be interesting, so I started reading and posting on there. That telegram group is no more. Though amanda is still around here from time to time but rarely posts - though she will defend cats to her death! Like you it is onwards (hopefully) up the mountain, I left Delingpole behind as I moved on to Miles, but yeah, his not being able to tolerate any criticism was a red flag. If you can't take it don't give it out and if you know you are right then you should be happy to stand the flack. Not sure where to go now. I have read some Stoic stuff Seneca & Marcus Aurelius and then moved to Hermeticism but have dropped off recently. I do think the next journey is out of the current, but since Gerry has raised massive questins about historic writing I don't really know what I should trust. Maybe I should do more contemplating on my own. We will see, I do think that a message will come and guide me if I am open to it. I still think there is lots of wisdom out there, including in the Bible and I would love to know what Tesla was on about. If you have any interesting steers then I am always open to hear them. |
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Post by Daniel Archer on May 12, 2024 8:44:19 GMT
Tesla could envision in his mind how the charge field works and hook his apparatus up to it.
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Post by Michael on May 12, 2024 16:38:15 GMT
@dailel_Archer I wish I could see that way - I think, though not being able to do it it may be a bit strange if you could see like that.
Understanding how Tesla thought would be a fascinating discovery. I don't think I am really ever going to be able to even start up that mountain
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Post by Bella on May 12, 2024 18:05:49 GMT
The "killer tits" comment was about Scarlett Johanssen in Match Point by Woody Allen. She was 29 at the time, so an acceptable age. He was really being disparaging about her acting abilities. I can't say I have strong opinions on any of that. I am sure her tits were just fine but she wasn't likely to be offering me a private viewing. I have searched for "young and tight" and it doesn't come up, so I suspect it was close to that but not close enough for the search. I wasn't offered a private viewing either, but able to check that she was born on 22nd November, 1984 and Match Point was first released on 12th May 2005 in Cannes, so she was 20 years old, not 29. "Killer tits" at 20 would make more sense. Minor point about Match point you will say.
"young and tight" and it doesn't come up, so I suspect it was close to that but not close enough for the search.
About Niko Tesla one of the things I liked reading about him was that he despised the modern woman losing her femininity by trying to be in power/superior to men. I've always believed men and women to be complementary. Them being rivals is utter nonsense to me, what a waste of time and energy.
Hopefully Tesla kept it classy and didn't speak of women's "killer tits" and "young and tight" or that sort of description.
But why oh why did gay E Musc have to "Nik" his name?
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