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Post by Ben on Mar 27, 2023 11:42:01 GMT
milesmathis.com/pyr2.pdf
A brilliant paper with a lot of fresh ideas. But I am not convinced of the premise. If humans had electricity 12,000 years ago, what happened to the devices they were powering? Surely the Venusians would not have left their colonies in a state of barbarism. They would have brought tools, skilled workers, engineers, teachers, and textbooks to bootstrap the fledgling society. We have hunting tools from tens of thousands of years ago, so surely by now someone would have dug up an engine, microchip or other advanced device.
Maybe civilization was destroyed in a great cataclysm, a flood or whatever, sending the survivors back to the stone age. But wouldn't that increase the likelihood of some tech being buried and preserved rather than looted and recycled?
The Egyptian pyramids are incredible, but also anomalous. The bronze age Egyptians probably couldn't have built them, and their purpose seems technological rather than ceremonial. But what else clearly fits that description? People talk about stuff in Bolivia and Peru, but it is not really that impressive. The pyramids in Mexico are also decidedly inferior.
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Post by lol on Mar 27, 2023 23:14:24 GMT
I discussed his Pyramids paper recently at cataclysmicearthhistory.substack.com/p/mathis-advanced-ancient-civilization . In an earlier post I showed why sedimentary rock strata were surely mostly laid down by the Great Flood about 5,000 years ago at cataclysmicearthhistory.substack.com/p/1 . In this one cataclysmicearthhistory.substack.com/p/226-dating-methods I showed that dating methods are mostly nonsense. C14 is pretty good and shows that dinosaur fossils, coal etc are under 50,000 years old, and more likely the age of the Flood. The remains of Noah's ark appears to have been found in the 1980s and it apparently showed indications of some nearly comparable to modern tech. Some items found in coal and sedimentary rock etc are also nearly modern. One is like a rock hammer. One item in coal is a brass bell. The contents of the brass are said to be high tech. The same for the iron in the hammer. It's non-rusting. There's an iron pole in India that is also non-rusting, like stainless steel. I mention in the first link above that humans might have been able to travel between Earth and Mars because they were rather close together in early ancient times. Venus, Mars and Earth were satellites of Saturn, so Titan would have been fairly close too. Saturn was likely about 3 million miles from Earth, Venus half as far and Mars still closer. I won't believe humans have been to Mars until there's solid evidence of ruins or artifacts on Mars. Venus surely was never habitable, since it's likely a younger planet, or it was close enough to Saturn to get over-heated. Saturn was probably a red dwarf, which are known to be unstable and flare up a lot, like a nova. Saturn then lost its outer layer, becoming a gas giant planet. The other gas giants may have had similar histories. Where the Bible speaks of "Let there be light" at creation and just before the Flood, those events may have been Saturn flareups. I saw a video recently that was persuasive that most of the ancient Egyptian structures could have been built with bronze age tech. It might be this one: Ancient Aliens Debunked: www.ancientaliensdebunked.com/anunnaki . There's still some tech that doesn't seem to be possible by bronze age tech. One is a star-shaped hole drilled in solid rock. Another is a fancy object made from stone: at www.ancient-code.com/ancient-egyptian-technology-a-propeller-that-is-thousands-of-years-old/
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Post by Ben on Mar 30, 2023 20:17:18 GMT
Well those "debunking" sites are good for a laugh. Yes, "there are depictions" of 1000-ton monuments being hauled around on wooden planks, so that makes it totally doable. Easy peasy. And some academic wore a groove in granite using quartz sand, so that makes it entirely practical to cut and shape massive granite blocks using saws much softer than granite. How much sand and elbow grease would you need to make the boxes in the Serapeum? How many slaves would you need to haul them? Even if it could be done with crude tools and abundant man-hours, you still have to believe that Egyptians were ten miles beyond complete batshit insanity going to such lengths to entomb some dead guy.
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Post by Gerry on Mar 31, 2023 16:05:09 GMT
Aw man, I think it's a mistake to always right away mix every ancient thing into some blissful alien/nephilim/annunaki from outer space hodgepodge. It's good for clicks & popularity, but not for finding out the truth. Yes, so there's some monuments that cannot be explained by our current knowledge of the technology level back then. Yes, there would be some technical mystery to be explored ...but kaboom! almost immediately it's "aliens origins"! And everyone gets in on the nephilim party.
Where are the hints that aliens or alien origins have anything to do with those monuments? I've never seen any. Why couldn't humans invent and build and work technology? We've all seen humans do it. Is it so hard to believe that some technology can get lost, or that conditions can change so that it doesn't work anymore? Do we really need aliens to explain that?
Also, all the mysticism channels talking about those Egyptian monuments distinguish between "bronze age Egyptians" (or "dynastic Egyptians") and the real deal Egyptians who built the mysterious monuments. But why can't the two be the same, with technology that got lost or unworkable in later epochs? This one isn't as far-fetched as the aliens, but I still haven't seen any evidence that the weird tech monuments were made by anyone else than the regular Egyptians. Do you know any? I mean, don't at least some have hieroglyph carvings in them?
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Post by Ben on Apr 1, 2023 3:43:39 GMT
I mostly agree. Some lost tech is far from impossible and could be behind the monuments in Peru, Easter Island and elsewhere. We don't know quite how they did it, but jumping straight to ALIENS! is pretty sensational. Egypt really pushes that idea to its limits, though, owing to the sheer scale, precision and lack of evident purpose of some of the works there. This is an ancient Egyptian coffin: As you can see, they were made of softer materials (usually wood), ornately decorated and sized to fit the remains inside. They were often accompanied by funereal artifacts and valued possessions. And this is what we find at Saqqara: Notice the person in the back for scale. These are made of granite, massively oversized, and mostly unadorned. A few have hieroglyphs added, but who knows who did that. Granite is quite hard and therefore difficult to cut, grind and polish. Even if they had carbide or diamond abrasives that were later lost, there is still the question of why. The volume of work involved isn't commensurate with the purpose we are given.
The Great Pyramid is of a similar character. Massive and austere, with no artwork or hieroglyphics, and no obvious purpose either.
In a reddit thread on the subject, user LegendaryGary323 writes: So then why do we see one that THEY built? A clever college graduate will mumble something about "Egyptian society," following the caricature of ancient peoples as mysterious and irrational, in contrast to us moderns who are oh-so-grounded, lucid and scientific. And yes, conceivably it WAS all mystical and ritualistic. Maybe it was done to aggrandize the Pharaohs. Maybe it was pure make-work. I don't rule any of that out. I just find those explanations unsatisfying.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Apr 2, 2023 7:49:05 GMT
I mean, don't at least some have hieroglyph carvings in them?
There are 0 hieroglyphs in the 3 great pyramids.
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Post by Gerry on Apr 4, 2023 9:47:08 GMT
There are 0 hieroglyphs in the 3 great pyramids. Yeah, sorry, that was not what I meant. I meant in other places. In other places which used special tech, there's regular hieroglyphs, so regular Egyptians would have used that tech. Some alt-historians point to these perfectly cut caskets in the Saqqara Serapeum, and say they have no hieroglyphs on them. One of the caskets does have hieroglyphs, but they are poor quality & wobbly, and were scratched into the surface with some tool that wasn't suited for the hard granite. So the alt-historians then say that the caskets were fashioned by "pre-dynastic" Egyptians, or some other people, or "aliens". And they cite as proof that the "dynastic" Egyptians obviously couldn't work granite like that, they just found the smooth casket, chiseled their crude glyphs on top, and used it as a coffin. For that one casket, the argument is correct: It was definitely not a coffin originally, and the glyphs were added later by someone whose workmen couldn't really work the granite. But generally, that argument is not true: There are many famous Egyptian granite obelisks, cut into very sharp angles, with deeply & perfectly cut hieroglyphs. And these glyphs are perfectly normal Egyptian spelling, and they spell out the names of known Egyptian dynastic kings, in the hard granite. So the "dynastic" Egyptians could work granite very well, even though we don't know how exactly they did that. So I think this separation into "pre-dynastic" Egyptians and "dynastic" Egyptians is false. It's true for the glyphs on that one casket, but that's a bad example. Same with the arguments that coffins were made of wood: Whether an Egyptian bigwig used granite or limestone or wood, and the quality of the decorations, it all depended mostly on how much wealth, artisans & materials he had at his disposal. Some coffins even had an inner & outer sarcophagus, and the outer sarcophagus was a casket, not exactly like the Saqqara caskets but also not made from wood. Now that doesn't mean there's "nothing to see". The Saqqara Serapeum caskets and many other things definitely hold some secrets, it wasn't all tombs & coffins in Egypt. But many of the arguments being flung around are not really correct. And about the "caricature of ancient peoples as mysterious and irrational": I'm going to publish an Egyptian decryption soon, where you can see the Egyptian rulers there were also mocking their subjects behind their backs. Here's the retroactively added glyphs on the Saqqara Serapeum casket, really cheap & scratchy: And here's very smoothly cut glyphs in granite on an obelisk made for Ramses II in Luxor:
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