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Apr 13, 2023 4:52:56 GMT
Post by lol on Apr 13, 2023 4:52:56 GMT
Miles has gotten on the anti-soy bandwagon as seen toward the end of his latest post at mileswmathis.com/sauron.pdf. I think he has badmouthed soy previously as well, at least once. He is or was also on the anti-vitamin-A bandwagon. Both are errors, IMO. The body, such as the eyes, for moisture, need a small amount of vitamin A, but more than that is harmful to the liver. Soy is an excellent food, if it's cooked or fermented. It's a goitrogen like other legumes and the cabbage family etc, which means it can contribute to goiter if eaten raw. James Sloane is my main source on many health issues. He has a private Facebook group now, called Science Based Natural Healing. He used to have a forum on Curezone.com, which still has a lot of his info. Some of his info on soy is at www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1548646. There are a lot of myths in alternative health, just as there are maybe even more in mainstream health. Sloane busted a lot of the myths, but his revelations are not yet in a convenient, organized location, although I made a start at naturalremedieswiki.substack.com/p/list-of-ailments-and-natural-remedies
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Soy
Apr 13, 2023 6:25:03 GMT
Post by Daniel Archer on Apr 13, 2023 6:25:03 GMT
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Apr 13, 2023 11:22:26 GMT
Post by fejohn on Apr 13, 2023 11:22:26 GMT
lol, your substack apparently violates TOS
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Apr 14, 2023 6:13:39 GMT
Post by Daniel Archer on Apr 14, 2023 6:13:39 GMT
lol, your substack apparently violates TOS so we can scratch substack, back to the soy, better scratch that too :-)
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Apr 14, 2023 7:30:33 GMT
Post by logan on Apr 14, 2023 7:30:33 GMT
"Seeds are not human food and seeds do not want to be eaten hence the reason they are poisonous. Miles is right to go against soy."
So we should write off the Indian nation whose cuisine consists in large part of whole or ground-up seeds of coriander, cumin, fenugreek, cardamom, fennel, mustard, onion, sesame and others?
And what about vegetable oils derived from such seeds, such as sunflower, rape or pumpkin? Are they toxic as well? And how about roots - turmeric for example? Or rhizomes such as galangal?
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Apr 14, 2023 13:02:34 GMT
Post by Daniel Archer on Apr 14, 2023 13:02:34 GMT
"Seeds are not human food and seeds do not want to be eaten hence the reason they are poisonous. Miles is right to go against soy." So we should write off the Indian nation whose cuisine consists in large part of whole or ground-up seeds of coriander, cumin, fenugreek, cardamom, fennel, mustard, onion, sesame and others? And what about vegetable oils derived from such seeds, such as sunflower, rape or pumpkin? Are they toxic as well? And how about roots - turmeric for example? Or rhizomes such as galangal? Yes, all seed oils are bad for your health. Highly inflammatory*. Also you do not want to know how they make that stuff, yuk. Regards, Daniel ps. *google answer: What are the negatives of seed oils? Overconsumption of seed oils has also been known to contribute to detrimental health conditions, including diabetes, obesity, heart disease, Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS), inflammation, and macular degeneration pss. A personal story, i was brought up partly on seed oils, eating margarine and products generally containing seed oils, i was an omnivore, this caused me to not be able to be in the sun, i would get really red, in my youth i would just tan normally, now that i quit the seed oils i can be in the sun again.
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Feb 20, 2024 11:46:55 GMT
Post by Michael on Feb 20, 2024 11:46:55 GMT
"Seeds are not human food" is (IMHO) an example of the "no true Scotsman fallacy" and Logan is right to call it out.
@danierl Let's say that in simple terms food can be defined as - any substance consumed to provide nutritional support and energy to an organism.
I don't think I need to define human for this argument. Therefore, seeds (including soy) in providing energy is clearly food to humans. Whether seeds want to be food is quite another matter, I don't suppose cows are overly enamoured with the prospect of sharing a plate with some roasted tubors, unless of course it it the Ameglian Major Cow (also referred to as the Dish of the Day) - that is a Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (Restaurant at the End of the World reference.
Maybe, your point is that soy is not a good food source for humans in a resource rich society as its harms outweigh it's benefits and there are better alternatives.
So, to get to a question. It sounds like you have gone the carnivore route. I am genuinely interested in that. How long have you been doing it and how has it worked for you? Has it been positive from a leanness and energy point of view?
Also, are you going organic? As going all meat with the drugs pumped into intensively farmed meat might be a worry to me (and definitely would be to my wife) tipping the scales in any one direction - which is why we try and stay balance (to mitigate the risk from any one food source).
Sorry if this derails the thread. Feel free to move this bottom bit and make a new thread if you want.
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Feb 21, 2024 6:54:21 GMT
Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 21, 2024 6:54:21 GMT
2-3 years now, but not completely, i still make world dishes for dinner a few times a week and i still drink alcohol, i want to quit that but it is hard after 40 years of alchohol, i already had it as a baby through my mother's milk!
But yes, carnivore has helped, getting out of a burnout and generally my body is stronger, muscles just get on you without doing anything and i am always warm. I never got sick before carnivore and am still nog getting sick now...
Yes, i only eat raw meat organic, it is a MUST! My beef source is good, chicken i have doubts, but it is the best i can get, fish i make sure it was wild caught (no farmed, farmed is bad).
Eating meat is anti-soy, so it fits perfectly in this thread. I noticed a boost in testosterone as well, or just feeling more manly, now if i quit beer, that would really help, as beer is not a manly drink at all, it just gives you too much female hormones.
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Feb 21, 2024 10:13:51 GMT
Post by Michael on Feb 21, 2024 10:13:51 GMT
@daniel That sounds excellent. Simple / organic food sources obviously cut out a lot of the toxins in the modern diet. Not sure I am ready for a steak tartare quite yet - where do you stand on seasonings, salt fine pepper bad? I quit breakfast last year as that was the most carb rich meal and it has really helped. I do snack on cereals occasionally as they are designed to be addictive, I like them and I am weak.
Yeah, alcohol is a big one, I think we share a culture on that one. In fact I think Geordies (not that I am a pure Geordie) pretty well speak English with a Dutch or maybe Danish accent and have the same attitude to beer. I totally agree, the only manly thing about it is being such a testosterone beast that you can drink it and it has no estrogenic affect on you. For the rest of us (who don't tear trucks apart with our bare hands) it is basically like taking pure oestrogen - boobs and all. I quit 99%, 15 years ago, it has been socially pretty bad but I don't miss the two day hangovers.
Obesity is another big driver of estrogenic overload and since a carnivore diet is low calorie and high protein it is good from that perspective too. Great to hear that it has benefits from lean body mass and manly feelings (that sounds wrong - but, you get me).
I am cool with soy though, having said that I don't really eat lots of it. Though US GM soy I am more suspicious of, in fact US food in general may be dodge. I do avoid seed oil as much as possible, butter, lard or dripping is better
At the end of the day we are all designed to go through pain and die, so who gives a f. I think that is a direct quote from Seneca.
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Feb 21, 2024 11:38:45 GMT
Post by Lamaton on Feb 21, 2024 11:38:45 GMT
"Well, this is thoroughly depressing." "It really puts perspective on things, though, doesn't it?" "Too much. There's too much fucking perspective ." (not Seneca, sorry).
Speaking of depressing, how did you guys feel after watching Food, Inc. (2008)? Where's the evidence that cows want to be eaten? One thing for sure the whole global food industry and those behind it are truly F* up.
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Feb 21, 2024 14:13:29 GMT
Post by Michael on Feb 21, 2024 14:13:29 GMT
I don't really know what triggered your first point, but, I get you, the world / life is depressing, all the way down to how we feed ourselves. Maybe we are overthinkers and should just get on with something useful?
I didn't watch Food Inc. so have no thoughts on it. I didn't even know of its existence.
Yes, I raised the point about cows not wanting to be eaten further up the thread, so agreed. Which was in itself was a counter to seeds not wanting to be eaten, so the idea soon degenerates into mootness, which is starting to sound like something Douglas Adams would write.
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Feb 28, 2024 17:45:18 GMT
Post by Davey on Feb 28, 2024 17:45:18 GMT
People with hypothyroidism (me) are advised to avoid un-fermented soy foods because of their goitrogenic and estrogenic properties. In most Asian cuisines, soy is only eaten in fermented forms, such as natto, tempeh, miso, soy sauce, etc.
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Feb 28, 2024 18:33:41 GMT
Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2024 18:33:41 GMT
People with hypothyroidism (me) are advised to avoid un-fermented soy foods because of their goitrogenic and estrogenic properties. In most Asian cuisines, soy is only eaten in fermented forms, such as natto, tempeh, miso, soy sauce, etc. Brazil nuts are meant to be good for the thyroid function, I eat four a day to get my selenium fix. Though I am probably doing the wrong thing, so...... Is tofu fermented? I don't mind a bit of tofu every now and then but then hypothyroidism is not something I have - as far as I know
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Feb 29, 2024 17:53:29 GMT
Post by Davey on Feb 29, 2024 17:53:29 GMT
Yeah, Brazil nuts are delish,
Tofu is not a fermented food.
I think the key on plant foods is understanding plants do not have "fight or flight" defense, only fight. They fight via phyto-chemicals. So you can not blanket assume that a plant food is beneficial. Plus, not that long ago, we did not have access to all these foods every day. We got certain foods at certain times of year for a few weeks. Longer if you canned and preserved. I remember getting rhubarb, asparagus, radishes, in the springtime, and then moving on to different vegetables as the summer progressed. Berries, garden greens, etc, in early summer. Sweet corn and tomatoes in late summer. Root vegetables and squashes in the fall. Now all that stuff is in the store 365 days a year. We are told it is a good thing. I am not so sure.
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Mar 1, 2024 18:15:47 GMT
Post by Michael on Mar 1, 2024 18:15:47 GMT
I think the key on plant foods is understanding plants do not have "fight or flight" defense, only fight. They fight via phyto-chemicals. So you can not blanket assume that a plant food is beneficial. Plus, not that long ago, we did not have access to all these foods every day. We got certain foods at certain times of year for a few weeks. Longer if you canned and preserved. I remember getting rhubarb, asparagus, radishes, in the springtime, and then moving on to different vegetables as the summer progressed. Berries, garden greens, etc, in early summer. Sweet corn and tomatoes in late summer. Root vegetables and squashes in the fall. Now all that stuff is in the store 365 days a year. We are told it is a good thing. I am not so sure. 1. Yep, there are plenty of plants that will kill you. Like beetroot, horrible stuff.... that is a joke, I just don't like it! 2. Yeah, I think that seasonal foods help keep your system balanced, but again that is just my gut speaking - and what does it know about food
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