doormanthe3rd
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 4, 2023 0:29:20 GMT
I notice that Davey has called this forum a bust, but then looking at CTTF, I'm seeing the rot that Miles mentioned before is still in effect. Enter SKATE, who posts quite frequently, often repeating themselves. We get statements full of lies like " "people that watch tv are the biggest retards on the planet, you can’t help them."
I don't know about the TV viewing habits here or at CTTF, but really she just called CTTF posters and readers hopeless retards! Then we get
"we know it, and they will never see it, they can’t see it, they will never see it, they are stupid and brainwashed and with every proof you could show them, but those of us who are awake, alert, and in tune, we know."
So she selects herself as awake, alert, and in tune, but for me the problem is this claim "we know". I'm not sure why that would be true of SKATE. So anyway, how long will they absolutely dominate the comment section before somebody steps forward and counters them? Its obviously a problem and yet everybody is being silent.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 4, 2023 10:43:14 GMT
This forum is quiet but it is still working just fine, there are more lurkers than posters, so if a member has something to contribute you can be sure people will read it. Hardly a bust.
The crux is "attention span" and "time", i find myself not able to read long periods of time, too busy, i am backlogged with Miles's writings, Lestrade i am at nr 9 still, i try to keep up, but the real world has me starting a company with 2 friends so that takes most of my time. Going to a fourm and really read and taking time to write a thoughtful reply is rare, good posters are rare.
People do watch tv and movies and i watch an absurd amount, but only shows and movies, no other "programming" (ha).
Calling yourself awake is fine i guess, i do it, it is just a signal to other people that you know a lot of things are fake; after that base understanding real discussion can happen..... probably... i hope...
ps. does SKATE stand for anything, ie an acronym, maybe this >>
S: Seek cover and concealment / Stay out of trouble
K: Keep a low profile / Keep quiet
A: Avoid higher-ups / Accept no responsibility (?)
T: Take no initiative/ Take your time / Take no action (?)
E: Evade / Enjoy yourself (?)
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doormanthe3rd
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 4, 2023 22:45:05 GMT
Someone implies Miles is a retard for watching tucker carlson! They repeat themselves and complain and say divisive and digusting things beyond anything I ever did for YEARS, and they are rewarded and welcomed. Labeling myself awake is pure rot, I would never be so deceptive as to imply some vague superiority.
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doormanthe3rd
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 5, 2023 2:02:57 GMT
catching up at CTTF I see Miles has stepped forward and actually started a thread. I'd like to say he drew first blood from me and you can go here to see it. "https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-27/#comment-48525" I got chewed out an belittled when in no way was I attempting to attack miles or any thesis of his for that matter. He says my source was somebody nobody should be listening to. But then Maria, Miles' model contributer had posted here cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-22/#comment-44669essentially something similiar complete with source links fron cnbc, marketwatch, and others I've not vetted. Where was her chew out? Miles wants to attack my sources, fine, but instead he attacked me personally by saying nobody should even be listening to my sources, which by the way turned out to have some insight to where we ended up. I offered him an apology and thanks and still was met with silence. Does this community even care? Read what I wrote back then during one of my early posts and examine it for attacks on Miles or any of this thesis. I'd be glad to hear about it. It turns out I contributed for two more years and was summarily labeled a spook and blocked. Its impossible to dismiss this cheweing out from Miles as unrelated, he might have doomed my ability to participate under the name 3rdDoorman. He doesn't even clarify where the third door is. I am really stuggling to see where my post was deserving of him taking this first blood. Clarity on that was never even worth bothering with, just like here I am labeled a bot. Just so you know my stance on that, it shows mostly you don't know what a bot is and cannot identify them with any skill, its just humor at the expense of new contributors and has no basis in fact at all. Zilch. If you think I am a bot or a spook, I'm here to tell you have made a mistake and have damaged your own community and the rot is not hard to find. Just read Miles Mathis, its there if you can think criticaly: cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-175/#comment-228219"Josh created these new threads as a forum where I would feel welcome, and we both agree I shouldn’t be driven away by attacks. I can hold my own with anyone, as you all know, but I am attacked everywhere all over the web, including my own email, and I don’t want to face it here, too. I shouldn’t have to. There are a lot of people, most of them lurkers, who are interested in what I have to say here, especially regarding answering questions, and they don’t want to lose that possibility. There are others who come here whose main goal seems to bait me and push my buttons, hoping they can drive me and other sensible people off. They have almost succeeded in destroying this opportunity, but Josh is back now and we aren’t going to let them. If you don’t respect me, this is not the place for you. There are dozens of sites that will welcome your childish attacks, and I recommend you head there immediately. We hope to rebuild this forum as a place for adults, showing one another the proper deference. We recommend you pattern yourself on those such as Maria, who has added a lot to this forum without ever once slinging mud or getting personal. I admit I myself have failed on that score, though I don’t believe I have ever drawn first blood." |
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Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 5, 2023 11:24:28 GMT
i am not sure what point you are trying to make here..
Miles said: "That’s not the third door, that’s the second door. Why is anyone listening to a Stoller who writes for the Guardian? All these people are scumbag agents planting disinfo. Both sides are creating fear, and the alternative people are often creating more than the mainstream. If I wanted that I would go back to Alex Jones."
Miles did not draw anything from you with that statement... or am i missing a post?
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doormanthe3rd
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 5, 2023 11:58:59 GMT
Miles is not just calling out the info I present, nor just disparaging the source I offer, he is asking why would _anyone_ listen to such a source. I compared it to Maria using cnbc and marketwatch, two sources that also may be considered problematic. If she can use such sources, why can't I use a guy who writes for the guardian? Its not made clear, I'm being held up as an example of someone who listens to a source that noone should be listening to. aka, a rebuke that shows no logical consistency, Maria can use sources that I shoud be careful not to use? I could easily refute this at the time but decided not to. I was attempting to extract a clue from a possibly biased source or even a spook source, I wasn't cowtowing to that source's authority and I made every effort to identify my source so it COULD be part of the discussion. He is contradicting his own recent comments, and I quote: "Here’s the rub, folks: no information is complete or completely accurate, anywhere. Everything is a sift. You aren’t looking for pure data, which doesn’t exist. You are looking for clues to put in a pile with other clues. You then weigh them all against eachother and against everything else you know. If you work hard enough you may be able to squeeze some truth out at the end." cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-173/#comment-224990I was told I mislabeled the 2nd door as the 3rd, but no clarification was offered on what was the 3rd door in this case or in some other context. As I framed it then and now, there is the mainstream interpretation of events, the alternatives offered to that mainstream that gain prominence, but that we should be looking within both those for clues to the truth that often lies outside both the mainstream and alternative. This is called being chewed out as making an error without offering the basis or even more than a vague inuendo of what error was made. How should I proceed differently in the future? Just ignore anyone who writes for the guardian? Its obvious that no real guidance on that was offered, even my apology was just ignored. F--- is up with that? This is adults showing proper respect and defference? NO! This is slinging mud, drawing blood from a new poster and walking away like that new poster deserved his rebuke. I disagee of course, this is bound to have a negative effect on the community, especially new posters, and is likely to chase people away from posting just like my "sources" rebuke above. That he doesn't know why anyone would listen to such a source, he himself admits he went to alex jones for some period of time, why did he go to that source and what did he hope to achieve by going there? Its easy to refute, but I let it go at that time.
WHY would I let it go? The post you seem to be missing here is the forum spies section, where it is stated that everyone is suspect at first, that one must interact and "graduate" from being a new user to someone who is trusted to have a good faith intention to contribute and not just with "an ax to grind" whatever that might mean. That is the community guidelines Josh set up, I had no input into it and I have stated many times that its confusing having any certainty on how to proceed. I am labeled a bot here, I am labeled a provisional participant there, it was one of my early posts! This is YOUR community, can you not see the issue with new posters being treated in this manner? When does one prove they are not a spook, never it seems, they must always avoid acting or resembling a spook or even two years of effort will simply be ignored and possibly even deleted. I was not attacking miles nor any thesis of his, I was not attempting to chase sensible people away, I had no ax to grind I was simply trying to contribute. To be accused in some vague manner of committing two separate errors, I have to assume something I did was simply not permitted at CTTF, but to this day I see nowhere what I did is prohibited. People do what I did all the time, I can come up with plenty of examples if you are still not clear.
This all contrasted with SKATE, who in fact labeled every viewer of TV as a retard that can not be helped. If you can't see the problem with such a statement, and how my statement, with sources, came nowhere NEAR the level of nonsense of SKATE's post then I don't know what to say. Miles even replied to her, contradicting what she said, but only that some vague group of people do in fact see something. Its not clear how he would clarify who this group of people are, nor how he would know that they "see" something. Epistemologically, he can't know as far as I can tell, he is merely offering an opinion and labeling it as knowledge, but that seems to be a semantic and logical mess, the group of people is undefined. SKATE had stated clearly that if that group of people watched TV, well then they can't be helped, they will hardly "see" no matter how many facts and proofs are put in front of them. Another opinion, but without evidence how can such a broad assertion even stand? It doesn't. Errors in logic, pure and simple and mostly its errors in the usage of language. Opinion put forward as a certainty, as knowledge, happens all the time, its basically overconfidence and arrogance that one's own ignorance has been overcome.
I can't believe this is unclear at this point. Both SKATE and Miles make serious errors in logic here, and I am calling it rot as a shorthand because Miles himself used that term to describe the forum not so long ago. These errors in logic have an effect on the community, and my point is its not a positive effect. Its forum rot, and its made up of statements by this community, that is my point. I'm not "attacking" anybody, I am attacking the sensibility of thier statements, I am challenging the ideas they present. It doesn't much matter anyway because nothing I am doing in this post is prohibited here or at CTTF, I've read the rules so many times now.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 5, 2023 15:51:00 GMT
You are thinking too hard.
There is no "community" so there can not be an effect, there are only individuals and everybody says and thinks what they want. That is what this forum is for.
The bot thing on this forum is for fun.
I do think maybe Josh should not have banned you, but i do not know all the reasonings and it may be unfair, i was banned from GrahamHancock forum for telling the truth (i know how it feels, it feels icky, i appealed and got nowhere, the mods and the people behind the scens were toying with me.. i moved on and never looked back, now i don't give a hoot and actually i am not missing anything). Maybe just take it as a badge of honor, you know who you are and just move on. This continous harping does not help your case, imho.
I was wondering if you are thinking about writing a paper, maybe produce some meat and have people respond to you instead of you responding to everybody else.
When i make my stellar metamorphosis papers i feel good, it is nice to produce something of worth... focus on what you can bring to the table... or whatever :-)
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doormanthe3rd
Might not be a bot, but we still don’t trust him or her
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 7, 2023 4:14:23 GMT
According to grahamhancock.com's boards, what is published as far as rules of engagement you got a chance to see every message of yours that recieved a moderator warning, during a _suspension_. You had a clear guideline on what the problems were with your participation?
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lol
Really good at convincing us he’s not a bot
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Post by lol on Feb 8, 2023 5:05:40 GMT
I've never been much interested in Hancock because he thinks there is evidence of civilization hundreds of thousands of years ago, but the Great Flood occurred about 5,000 years ago and deposited nearly all of the sedimentary rock on the continents, so any civilization that might have existed was wiped away or buried under or within the sedimentary rock. Conventional dating methods are largely nonsense. I've discussed these kinds of issues in my Substack at cataclysmicearthhistory.substack.com/archive . |
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doormanthe3rd
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 8, 2023 12:10:12 GMT
Please don't take us offtopic lol, nobody was really talking about the concepts of Graham here. Thanks for your help on this.
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doormanthe3rd
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 9, 2023 6:16:53 GMT
11 messages from SKATE now on the page, seems like the "ax to grind" is evident perhaps.here is an archive "https://web.archive.org/save/https://cuttingthroughthefog.com/2018/11/09/current-events-discussion-thread/comment-page-176/" My compliments to Kiernan for being the first to step in and say something, he did fine. SKATE has now been a bit sassy to him and Joey but then Joey did make some kind of cat lady innnuendo.
Now up to 12! "SKATE said: February 9, 2023 at 6:02 am
I had a little bit better impression of you guys before tonight. Wow. Too bad."
You guys! You left a bad impression on SKATE  I guess she can console herself with some Yagyu meetballs! That stuff is expensive, I didn't think people ground it up and dunked it in sauce. |
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 9, 2023 10:40:37 GMT
Russel Sacket! master of etiquette! Calls me a spook while not presenting a reason, seems etiquette takes an interesting course sometimes. How long did he wait before revealing his big realization? What if he made a mistake and I was not a spook? I guess etiquette permits SOME users to call me turd doorman and 3rd boorman and ivermectin guy? Strange that ad homs can fly so easily, I should be thankful I wasn't called a "pretend Nazi forum judge" that might have stretched the etiquette too much. Hilarious show except it will no doubt have an effect on the community. Notice TruthDecay who humbly claims to have commented excessively, didn't set any records though!
Russell Sackett February 9, 2023 at 6:20 am
No, it’s more a matter of etiquette. You are new here, and when new people comment the way you’ve been commenting here, they nearly always turn out to be bots, or spooks. I’m sure, like I have, people want to give the benefit of the doubt to a new commenter, especially one that appears to be genuine, but it would be wise to be less haughty when receiving advice from people who have been posting here for years on how to conduct yourself on our forum, “our” meaning yours as well. but you should be aware that we here are wary of infiltrators, and not for no good reason. Thank you for your consideration.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 10, 2023 8:22:05 GMT
cliques and clubs are never fun.
In my view anyone talking about "community" is suspect, only individuals count.
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doormanthe3rd
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Post by doormanthe3rd on Feb 11, 2023 1:58:01 GMT
cliques and clubs are fun if you are one of the chosen. Feeds the ego as well, its literally a cornerstone tenet of the Phonecians and thier style of control imo. Its literally a social construct we see over and over in so many different spheres of human activity. I think its offtopic how unfun they are.
As far as community, I want to pin you down on something, you said this was "our" forum, not "your forum". For me that implies group ownership, whatever form that ownership takes can be described as a community ethic. It can be codified in a set of principles or you can just assert it. CTTF has an ethic and there is even talk of ettiquette. How does one clarify the ettiquette? There are posters from all over the world, surely there is no agreement on such topics. That shows a community with a perhaps fractured disjointed ethic. You told me "Maybe just take it as a badge of honor, you know who you are and just move on. This continous harping does not help your case, imho." What case? I'm a little surprised your accusation of continuous harping is to be considered a HUMBLE opinion. The issue I think you miss is that this happened to Lol as well, and nobody would even have a chance to discuss the matter except that an individual like you made a forum at the direct suggestion of Miles.
My banning doesn't make me feel icky, it makes me feel like Josh and Miles are incompetent and dicking around people who want to have discussions and participate toward "community" and "truth" and cutting away fog.
Even SKATE made two excellent points (as well as a lot of preachy advice) the key being whatever was the "problem" Kiernan and Russel and then Josh had with her participation, it wasn't in the T&C! Terms and conditions, the rules, the guidelines, the things I read out from Grahamhancock's forum called rules of engagement. You can suggest to me its a badge of honor, but then you didn't want to answer my question about your situation, your badge of honor as it were, which now you don't give a hoot about it seems. Our two cases don't compare well.
I didn't get a mod warning or a suspension like they do over there, it was something different and it appears to be Josh and Miles who set the ethic about infiltrators. Unfortunatly Josh proves that his published ethic was NOT followed or enforced. Not even close really, there is a set of private rules that I can only intuit. A secret society that ends up gatekeeping and employing tactics that Miles has mentioned over and over and over and over in art and science and acedemia. Its largely about control. Why use the tactics of the Phonecians on your own community? A truely difficult line to draw, what tactics are going to allow new people in and yet identify whatever threat can be dreamed up in a fugue of fear and suspicion? What agreement can be formed on that question is what I am calling a "community ethic" but in the case of here and CTTF its mostly unpublished and made by the few in control, and new people are left to guess and self police themselves. Community as a word is thrown around a lot, you and I both have reason for suspicion, but its almost impossible to define, and there is abundant evidence that individual action forms "teams" or can even be "cancelled" based on arbitrary and secret ethics.
The other good point she made is that when you don't draw a GOOD and COMPETENT line between "authentic" participation, and infiltrator it can lead to paranoia. New people are wondering how to participate, why not give them clear guidelines? Who are the bot and spook hunters? I have a perspective that they keep showing how mistaken they are and how little evidence they can come up with. That has an effect on individuals and the community ethic as percieved by new people. It would be trivial for me to show up and disrupt things, If I thought I could manage it I would show up and post offtopic jokes, its SO frequent at CTTF. I won't bother, that is my badge of honor, and the time and effort I spent here to at least share a point of view, so thanks to you Daniel and the "community" for that even though they seem a bit reluctant to have a discussion. I'd love to see evidence of some spook that would bother, this kind of "cover" material for the purposes of infiltration seems a bit excessive. It would be easier to just get a VPN and pick a new username if I intended to disrupt things.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Feb 11, 2023 9:12:17 GMT
This is our forum means each individual can use this forum as they see fit*. So it is not a community and not a club. Maybe CTTF is doing it wrong, maybe not, but it has no bearing on this forum
*basic etiquette for now is just not using curse words towards people, but you can make a thread discussing curse words and how awesome they are to your hearts content. Kutjepikandijvie.
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I guess she can console herself with some Yagyu meetballs! That stuff is expensive, I didn't think people ground it up and dunked it in sauce.