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Post by Michael on Oct 20, 2023 14:44:26 GMT
sarc Thanks again for your useful input. all I am waiting for is @daniel_Archer to say that he won't be moderating this forum in any useful forum and you will have your wish. I will be off.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Oct 21, 2023 7:08:16 GMT
sarc Thanks again for your useful input. all I am waiting for is @daniel_Archer to say that he won't be moderating this forum in any useful forum and you will have your wish. I will be off. Sarc is on topic and espouses his opinion, albeit in a slightly obnoxious way designed to irk in all likelihood. It is up to other posters to be the bigger person. I let it stand. So far nothing has been censored, but Miles could be right that if this forum gets traffic from the unwashed mashed and this forum is noticed, who knows what they will do... I do not have full control Michael. Please stay and contribute, but maybe not to this thread as some Mathis fans do not post on this forum just because of the thread title alone! For the record, i do not find Miles a jerk. I did have some issues with CTTF, but that was mostly how difficult it was to post something. The bickering was kind of funny, but i see how some would find that off putting.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Oct 21, 2023 7:14:52 GMT
@daniel_Archer It would be good to have a steer on this so that we know the rules of the game and whether we want to keep playing. This will stay a free speech forum. Bots are deleted and obvious trolls. I do not have the time to moderate in detail what is off putting to any one individual. Just grow a thicker skin or ignore posts you do not like. If you start a new topic without 'Miles mathis is a jerk', this old thread will go down on the page until you do not even see it anymore. The users have the power.
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Post by sarc on Oct 21, 2023 11:03:28 GMT
1. What is the definition of "forum", again? = a public meeting place for open discussion
2. What stops Miles Mathis himself– or one of his most trusted fans– from having or creating his own private meeting place for discussion, or moving to another private group that will fit his special liking, tastes, principles, values, moods, etc? -Allegedly Miles Mathis' fanbase is huge, so he would have had his own private fan club created in his name by now, wouldn't he?
-What about a new place of discussion named the "Miles Mathis Filter", or the "Miles Mathis Fan Club", with a members-only specific group that will be allowed to exchange endlessly about him and his genius?
-What stops the Miles Mathis fans from creating new threads like "Miles Mathis is a genius" or "Miles Mathis can do no wrong", "Miles Mathis is not a jerk", or anything that will make the fans happy?
3. When certain individuals start giving orders to the creator and administrator of a forum, telling him what to do and exactly how to do it, as well as what will happen to his forum (without creating anything), based on subjective, over-the-top, tasteless speculations, it says a lot about their character and mentality.
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Post by sarc on Oct 21, 2023 13:12:23 GMT
You reap what you sow. In private as in public, like it or not. Nobody is above criticism and negative opinions, in real life as on the web. And sometimes people burn what they once adored, justifiably or not. Such is life. Wise, grown up people know this and deal with it.
Most certainly I wouldn't want to be part of a group that would have a *highly intolerant type of individual* as leader, webmaster or moderator.
*euphemism*
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Post by Michael on Oct 21, 2023 13:48:02 GMT
sarc Well you win, if anyone wants me I will be over @swathy's place @daniel_Archer thanks for the clarification, I understand the time constraints which is one massive issue with forums. I just think that @jtroachgp is right without control this place doesn't work. Gerry that is making the place have value, so I will keep checking in mainly to discuss his work now. Sorry to keep bouncing this thread up but that is just the way it goes sometimes. I would have deleted it as soon as it appeared calling the forum's namesake a jerk, but I am just old fashioned I guess. Couldn't imagine going into a pub and slagging off the person the landlord named his pub for and not being told to "shut it or sling your hook." Which is why I don't understand why sarc wants to drink in such an establishment.
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Post by sarc on Oct 21, 2023 15:27:07 GMT
Michael I didn't "win" or lose anything here. Nobody's kicking you out, at the end of the day it's your decision to leave this place or not. And nobody here stopped you from expressing yourself, as far as I know? It's not like you had other posters ganging up on you everywhere you posted, is it? Understanding and approving are two different things. I can understand if a person wants to express anger towards someone they've been very disappointed with, it doesn't necessarily mean I approve or agree with them about everything, or about the way they're expressing themselves. IF it's just one visit or ONE thread in a forum, and not a disruption of all threads, it's not a big deal.
I don't know where you've been but I've seen much, MUCH worse forums than this one, with "bloodbaths" between posters, so much one forum had to close down temporarily; this one is gentle in comparison. As for pubs, I used to live in a rough area with an establishment across the road that was definitely animated, to say the least.
Regarding the WP blog with the long, unstructured conversation thread style, it's not a good option imo; each to their own.
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Post by Michael on Oct 21, 2023 16:04:58 GMT
sarc To clarify, when I said you win - I mean you get to play it your way because that is the way Daniel wants it. I know I am not being kicked out and I am making a decision to go elsewhere, I am in no way offended or upset. I have assessed this place and don't think it is going to become a useful place for me. That is my free choice. I am not sure where the understanding point comes from, it seems like a non sequitur to me but I may be mistaken. I am not put off by the coarseness of this forum, I agree it is very mild. I just think that it strays too much from the actual discussion of Miles' work and into personal attacks from people who literally think he is a jerk, I wasn't expecting that on his home turf. It is like having away fans infiltrating the home end and slagging off our players - it is just an annoying distraction that I don't want to be involved with. I agree with your view on the WP format, which is why I was hoping this would be better.
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Post by Michael on Oct 21, 2023 16:14:01 GMT
He seems like a low level saboteur I don't suppose he is being paid or anything, I think he just has an axe to grind. Everyone has stuff I suppose but at some point you have to realise that you can't get to the higher level while you are held down by yourself. Everything happens for a reason and this reminder may be the reason for today's discussion.
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Post by sarc on Oct 21, 2023 16:40:16 GMT
More whining from "jroachgp" who hasn't created his own Miles Mathis forum, what a surprise. Who's derailing this thread on purpose?
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Post by fizzfoam on Oct 22, 2023 3:36:43 GMT
Miles is often a gruff person. That's okay. Who wouldn't be in his shoes? Imagine getting spammed by agents and bots in your email trying to waste your time, or sending death threats to your family, or slandering you on forums, or having close friends and acquaintances reveal themselves as actual spies. If you have any empathy you'd realize being a "jerk" is a completely natural response. Sometimes well-meaning people might get hurt feelings by it. Oh well. Move on. That being said, being a jerk isn't a good thing but Miles is human. He may be a genius, but a human nonetheless. We all have flaws. He's admitted plenty of them, especially in that paper about his wife.
At the same time, if fans of his should brush off his occasional rude remarks, then he should also brush off a SINGLE thread on this forum that talks dirty. That's a fair compromise. It still baffles me that anyone put up with CTTF, and for so long, with obvious censorship going too far, and the format which makes it almost impossible to navigate discussions. This forum is objectively superior by that measure alone. I think mathisianhaven will be a lot, lot better. I can't put it past Miles not coming here, or even to Swathy's WP. He can't trust anyone after Josh. I wouldn't. I would've bailed on public comments a long time ago.
That being said, jroachgp: do you honestly think allowing a single thread about Miles Mathis being a jerk will lead to the board getting flooded by child porn and drug dealing? You mention 4chan and helping other forums, so I'm guessing you've been to /g/ or something, the technology board there. Why was CTTF not flooded by CP? Why has this forum, or mathisianhaven, not been flooded? Surely you've realized by now that the following are true:
1) The early "wild west" internet, where CP, gore, etc were everywhere, was heavily operated by college students and professionals, often in the STEM field. A large percentage of early computer enthusiasts were certainly Phoenicians. You needed a high income.
2) The federal government owns and operates the largest CP database known to mankind.
3) The CIA controls 99.9% of the world's drug trade, including ethnic gangs.
4) The dark web is a) mostly a silly scam for teenagers to dare each other to enter like a haunted house, and b) a place for Phoenicians and Pheds to peddle their porn and drugs to each other (real large scale trade is certainly conducted offline).
Do you actually think some weirdo in a basement is doing all that alone? No, it's dudes at the FBI or NSA or some air force base who are instructed by higher-ups to dump gnarly pictures on targeted forums. Somehow this hasn't happened here or CTTF or mathisianhaven. Why would it start happening because of this thread? It sucks if Miles Mathis won't post here but I don't think he'd post regardless of any criticism. He could've posted when it started up but didn't. Also, the 4chan mods are the federal government. They have an interest in allowing bot spam for example. The same applies to reddit or pretty much any major social media. It's their bread and butter. Daniel Archer and Swathy have no interest in CP or drugs, though, and Daniel's moderation would absolutely kick in if some guest posted pictures of little girls or whatever.
You're the only one conflating criticism of an internet conspiracy theoriest/renaissance man with heinous things like CP and drugs.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Oct 22, 2023 7:35:25 GMT
More whining from "jroachgp" who hasn't created his own Miles Mathis forum, what a surprise. Who's derailing this thread on purpose? Agreed. As said here or somewhere else; it would be nice if posters refrained from attacking or deriding the person and just discuss the content. Any suspicions of saboteurs or agents can be addressed in the moderator thread.
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Post by Daniel Archer on Oct 22, 2023 7:41:22 GMT
There is a great Miles Mathis forum more about his science. With posters that elevate and discuss the work Mathis has done. This is the link: milesmathis.forumotion.com/forumMiles has also never posted in this forum to discuss his work. Also it is not needed, it is content generated by users. The same can be done on this forum, expand work Miles has done, discuss, maybe get inspiration to do your own research and write your own papers that could be featured on Miles's site.
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Post by dentarthurdent on Oct 22, 2023 12:37:37 GMT
I haven’t spent a lot of time wondering why internet spam, cp, etc. exist, other than, “some people are sickos.” But really, what is to be gained by it? Money and power. Who loves money and power most? The PN. Maybe the poor slobs who fall for internet scams are helping fund the infinite budget of the alphabet agencies, since actual tax revenue dries up after what, a few months? The US is $2T in the hole for the year, as of today (officially, not counting illegal drug revenue, internet scam revenue, etc. it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if all that net crap is just an intel funding scheme.
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